login
Hints
(Greetings from The On-Line Encyclopedia of Bongard Problems!)
Search: ex:BP981
Displaying 1-10 of 11 results found. ( next )     page 1 2
     Sort: id      Format: long      Filter: (all | no meta | meta)      Mode: (words | no words)
BP503 "Nice" Bongard Problems vs. Bongard Problems the OEBP does not need more like.
BP1
BP2
BP3
BP4
BP5
BP6
BP7
BP8
BP9
BP11
BP12
BP15
BP16
BP20
BP23
BP30
BP32
BP33
BP50
BP51
BP57
BP59
BP62
BP70
BP71
BP72
BP74
BP76
BP77
BP85
BP97
BP98
BP100
BP106
BP108

. . .

BP213
BP214
BP221
BP231
BP237
BP262
BP538
BP545
BP548
BP555
BP570
BP801
BP862
BP882
BP915
BP920
BP941
BP1000
BP1008
BP1042
BP1043
BP1129
BP1150
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "nice" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "less." They are not necessarily "bad," but we do not want more like them.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP498 BP499 BP500 BP501 BP502  *  BP504 BP505 BP506 BP507 BP508

KEYWORD

subjective, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, oebp, right-finite, left-it, feedback, time

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP506 Bongard Problems whose solutions are hard to put into words vs. Bongard Problems whose solutions are easy to put into words.
BP159
BP524
BP956
BP964
BP981
BP998
BP1130
BP1142
BP1148
BP1149
BP1155
BP1157
BP1161
BP1181
BP1246
BP1247
BP1248
BP1250
BP1251
BP1268
BP1271
BP1275
BP1276
BP1279
BP1280
BP1281
BP1282
BP2
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "unwordable" on the OEBP.


"Unwordable" does not just mean convoluted, that is, involving a long description. "Unwordable" also does not just mean hard. Unwordable Bongard Problems are instead those Bongard Problems whose solutions tend to occur to people nonverbally before verbally. The typical "unwordable" Bongard Problem solution is not too difficult to see, and may be easy to describe vaguely, but hard to pin down in language.


The solution title given on the OEBP for "unwordable" pages is often something vague and evocative, further elaborated on in the comments. For example, the title for BP524 is "Same objects are shown lined up in both 'universes' vs. the two 'universes' are not aligned." If someone said this, it would be clear they had seen the answer, even though this is not a clear description.



Bongard Problems have been sorted here based on how hard they are to put into words in English. (See keyword culture.) It may be interesting to consider whether or not the same choices would be made with respect to other languages.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP501 BP502 BP503 BP504 BP505  *  BP507 BP508 BP509 BP510 BP511

KEYWORD

notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP549 Bongard Problems with simple solutions vs. Bongard Problems with convoluted solutions.
BP159
BP213
BP227
BP228
BP257
BP262
BP290
BP825
BP849
BP920
BP973
BP975
BP981
BP990
BP1040
BP1129
BP1245
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Right examples have the keyword "convoluted" on the OEBP.


Images of Bongard Problems with convoluted solutions often admit many alternative solutions of similar complexity. In order for one particular convoluted solution to be the simplest solution, it is often necessary to include a large number of examples. A similar issue appears in infodense Bongard Problems.


When a Bongard Problem is too convoluted, a person might find the intended answer but discount it because it seems too convoluted. A solution to a Bongard Problem is unambiguous when it is the least convoluted option by a large margin.

CROSSREFS

Related to arbitrary.

See BP374 for simple vs. complicated drawings.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP544 BP545 BP546 BP547 BP548  *  BP550 BP551 BP552 BP553 BP554

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP584 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: analogy (a : b :: c : d) vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP361
BP362
BP981
BP1260
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP579 BP580 BP581 BP582 BP583  *  BP585 BP586 BP587 BP588 BP589

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "analogy"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP789 Bongard Problems in which all examples have the same format, a specific multi-part structure vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP200
BP324
BP325
BP339
BP346
BP350
BP351
BP352
BP353
BP354
BP355
BP356
BP357
BP361
BP362
BP372
BP548
BP790
BP791
BP793
BP795
BP796
BP802
BP803
BP805
BP827
BP828
BP829
BP831
BP832
BP833
BP834
BP835
BP836
BP843

. . .

(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "structure" on the OEBP.


Examples of "structures": Bongard Problem, Bongard Problem with extra unsorted panel ("Bongard's Dozen"), 4-panel analogy grid, sequence of objects with a quantity changing by a constant amount.


If the solver hasn't become familiar with the featured structure, the Bongard Problem's solution may seem convoluted or inelegant. (See keyword assumesfamiliarity.) Once the solver gets used to seeing a particular structure it becomes easier to read that structure and solve Bongard Problems featuring it.


A Bongard Problem can non-verbally teach someone how a particular structure works, showing valid examples of that structure versus non-examples. E.g., BP968 for the structure of Bongard Problems and BP981 for the structure of analogy grids.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP784 BP785 BP786 BP787 BP788  *  BP790 BP791 BP792 BP793 BP794

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP858 Bongard Problems whose examples might be used to teach the rule of the solution vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP100
BP844
BP862
BP968
BP981
BP1049
BP1080
BP1083
BP1090
BP1153
BP1271
BP1282
BP1284
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "teach" on the OEBP.


Sometimes instead of gauging somebody's ability to guess the pattern, a Bongard Problem might teach the pattern.


Consider a Bongard Problem whose left examples are images of a specific person's face; after seeing that Problem, one might be able to recognize that person.


A "teach" Bongard Problem (with a huge number of examples) could be taken as a training set for machine learning.


"Teach" BPs tend to be convoluted, arbitrary, cultural-knowledge-based (keyword culture), or they illustrate some insight that might be overlooked, perhaps mathematical (keyword math).

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP853 BP854 BP855 BP856 BP857  *  BP859 BP860 BP861 BP862 BP863

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
BP32
BP77
BP82
BP127
BP243
BP257
BP274
BP288
BP323
BP344
BP376
BP381
BP385
BP390
BP506
BP507
BP515
BP516
BP538
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP545
BP553
BP559
BP569
BP576
BP812
BP816
BP818
BP823
BP825
BP852
BP866
BP867

. . .

BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1158 Bongard Problems in which each example communicates a rule vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP346
BP349
BP350
BP351
BP352
BP353
BP354
BP355
BP356
BP357
BP361
BP362
BP365
BP372
BP379
BP380
BP393
BP792
BP805
BP839
BP841
BP843
BP845
BP846
BP848
BP849
BP852
BP855
BP870
BP893
BP917
BP951
BP973
BP975
BP979

. . .

?
BP347
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "rules" on the OEBP.


In the typical "rules" Bongard Problem, it is possible to come up with many convoluted rules that fit each example, but the intended interpretation is the only simple and obvious one.


Since it is difficult to communicate a rule with little detail, "rules" Bongard Problems are usually infodense.

Typically, each example is itself a bunch of smaller examples that all obey the rule. It is the same as how a Bongard Problems relies on many examples to communicate rules; likely just one example wouldn't get the answer across.

On the other hand, in BP1157 for example, each intended rule is communicated by just one example; these rules have to be particularly simple and intuitive, and the individual examples have to be complicated enough to communicate them.

Often, each rule is communicated by showing several examples of things satisfying it. (See keywords left-narrow and right-narrow.) Contrast Bongard Problems, which are more communicative, by showing some examples satisfying the rule and some examples NOT satisfying the rule.


A "rules" Bongard Problem is often collective. Some examples may admit multiple equally plausible rules, and the correct interpretation of each example only becomes clear once the solution is known. The group of examples together improve the solver's confidence about having understood each individual one right.

It is common that there will be one or two examples with multiple reasonable interpretations due to oversight of the author.

CROSSREFS

All meta Bongard Problems are "rules" Bongard Problems.

Many other Bongard-Problem-like structures seen on the OEBP are also about recognizing a pattern. (See keyword structure.)


"Rules" Bongard Problems are abstract, although the individual rules in them may not be abstract. "Rules" Bongard Problems also usually have the keyword creativeexamples.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1153 BP1154 BP1155 BP1156 BP1157  *  BP1159 BP1160 BP1161 BP1162 BP1163

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, rules

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1176 Bongard Problems about grids with varying dimensions vs. Bongard Problems about grids in which all examples show grids with the same dimensions.
BP904
BP981
BP997
BP1057
BP1072
BP1123
BP1147
BP1175
BP1185
BP1187
BP1257
BP1258
BP1259
BP1278
BP303
BP376
BP1049
BP1223
BP1279
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "grid" on the OEBP.


Right examples have the keyword "fixedgrid" on the OEBP.

CROSSREFS

See also sequence versus fixedsequence.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1171 BP1172 BP1173 BP1174 BP1175  *  BP1177 BP1178 BP1179 BP1180 BP1181

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

visualbp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP1177 Bongard Problems about grids of objects vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP361
BP904
BP981
BP1049
BP1057
BP1072
BP1123
BP1147
BP1175
BP998
BP1097
BP1153
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1172 BP1173 BP1174 BP1175 BP1176  *  BP1178 BP1179 BP1180 BP1181 BP1182

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

( next )     page 1 2

Welcome | Solve | Browse | Lookup | Recent | Links | Register | Contact
Contribute | Keywords | Concepts | Worlds | Ambiguities | Transformations | Invalid Problems | Style Guide | Goals | Glossary