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BP865 The class of included examples is distractingly irrelevant to the solution vs. not so.
BP965
BP1105
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COMMENTS

Left examples have keyword "distractingworld" on the OEBP.


This is different than the kind of distraction mentioned at noisy, which means there are details that are irrelevant to the solution changing between examples.


To label a BP "distractingworld" is to judge that the type of examples are more specific than should have been necessary to communicate the same general solution idea--this involves separating out which ideas are the nice ideas the BP really ought to have been about, and which ideas seem unimportant and irrelevant. On the other hand, to label a BP "noisy" is just to notice there are extra properties varying that are independent of the solution property.

CROSSREFS

Distractingworld BPs are often arbitrary.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP860 BP861 BP862 BP863 BP864  *  BP866 BP867 BP868 BP869 BP870

EXAMPLE

BP1105 was created as an extreme example of this. All images in that BP show the same distractingly detailed background, irrelevant to the solution.

KEYWORD

stub, fuzzy, abstract, subjective, meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP894 Examples fit solution (once it is known) relatively obviously vs. examples fit solution in subtle or complex, harder-to-see ways.
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COMMENTS

One left and one right example with each solution are shown for help.


This BP is fuzzy for multiple reasons. How obvious it is that an example fits a rule is subjective. Also, somebody could read the simplicity of all included examples as part of a Bongard Problem's solution. For example, the more obvious version of "square number of dots vs. non-square number of dots" could be interpreted as "square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way vs. non-square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way."


Whether this Bongard Problem solution would categorize an image of itself left or right depends on the difficulty of the solutions of the mini-Problems.

CROSSREFS

See keyword help.

See keyword hardsort.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893  *  BP895 BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899

KEYWORD

fuzzy, abstract, notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, contributepairs

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP895 Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems based on other information than just their solutions (e.g. what format the Bongard Problem is, or what specific examples are shown in it) vs. Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on solution.
BP504
BP793
BP795
BP802
BP803
BP827
BP831
BP834
BP871
BP872
BP894
BP1150
BP200
BP796
BP829
BP830
BP832
BP833
BP835
BP836
BP868
BP873
BP874
BP875
BP876
BP877
BP878
BP879
BP880
BP881
BP895
BP927
BP944
BP948
BP952
BP954
BP987
BP1024
BP1025
BP1026
BP1027
BP1028
BP1029
BP1030
BP1031
BP1032
BP1033

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BP828
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationmatters" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationinvariant" on the OEBP.


Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another. (Meta Bongard Problems that sort images of Bongard Problems have the keyword miniproblems, whereas meta Bongard Problems that sort links to OEBP pages have the keyword links.)


For meta-pages on the OEBP that sort other pages on the OEBP (keyword links), "presentationmatters" means factoring in content like the BP number, the currently uploaded examples, the wording of the title, the description, and so on, rather than just the solution (that is, how the page would sort all potential examples). This is unusual.


"One solution vs. multiple solutions" (BP828) seems like a border-case. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 01 2020

CROSSREFS

See BP1010 (projectionmatters versus 3d) for a similar idea: there 2D representations are to 3D objects as here Bongard Problems are to Bongard Problem solutions.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893 BP894  *  BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless, metameta, right-it, dependence, presentationinvariant

WORLD

metabp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP939 Optical illusions vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

Panels on the left hand side contain geometrical objects that appear distorted (to a human) due to surrounding information.

REFERENCE

Vicente Sierra-Vázquez & Ignacio Serrano-Pedraza, Application of Riesz transforms to the isotropic AM-PM decomposition of geometrical-optical illusion images, April 2010, Figure 1.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP934 BP935 BP936 BP937 BP938  *  BP940 BP941 BP942 BP943 BP944

KEYWORD

fuzzy, anticomputer, subjective, contributepairs, invalid, experimental

CONCEPT length_line_or_curve (info | search),
visual_illusion (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP1002 Vaguely self-similar (looks like self-similar fractal after one iteration) vs. not so.
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CROSSREFS

See BP1004 for a Problem about conceptual self-similarity instead of visual self-similarity.

See BP188 for a similar Problem restricted to shape outlines made of shape outlines.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP997 BP998 BP999 BP1000 BP1001  *  BP1003 BP1004 BP1005 BP1006 BP1007

KEYWORD

easy, nice, fuzzy, abstract, anticomputer, concept, traditional

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search),
similar_shape (info | search),
similar (info | search)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1111 Bongard Problem requires solver to already be interpreting all examples in a specific way for the answer to seem simple vs. not so.
BP200
BP361
BP362
BP793
BP795
BP796
BP802
BP803
BP827
BP828
BP829
BP831
BP832
BP833
BP834
BP835
BP836
BP852
BP871
BP872
BP873
BP874
BP875
BP876
BP877
BP878
BP879
BP880
BP881
BP894
BP955
BP957
BP968
BP987
BP1024

. . .

BP1
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "assumesfamiliarity" on the OEBP.


Sometimes all the examples in a Bongard Problem need to be interpreted a certain way for the Bongard Problem to make sense. Only once the representation is understood, the idea seems simple.


For example, all meta Bongard Problems (Bongard Problems sorting other Bongard Problems) assume the solver interprets the examples as Bongard Problems.


TO DO: Maybe it is best to stop putting the label "assumesfamiliarity" on all meta-Bongard Problems. There are so many of them. It may be better to only use the "assumesfamiliarity" keyword on meta-BPs for a further assumption than just that all examples are interpreted as Bongard Problems. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Feb 11 2021

CROSSREFS

Many Bongard Problems in which all examples take the same format (keyword structure) assume the solver already knows how to read that format.

Some Bongard Problems assume the solver will be able to understand symbolism that is consistent between examples (keyword consistentsymbols).

Bongard Problems tagged math often assume the solver is familiar with a certain representation of a math idea.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1106 BP1107 BP1108 BP1109 BP1110  *  BP1112 BP1113 BP1114 BP1115 BP1116

EXAMPLE

BP1032: The solution should really read "Assuming all images are Bongard Problems sorting each natural number left or right ..." This Bongard Problem makes sense to someone who has been solving a series of similar BPs, but otherwise there is no reason to automatically read a collection of numbers as standing for a larger collection of numbers.

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1158 Bongard Problems in which each example communicates a rule vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP346
BP349
BP350
BP351
BP352
BP353
BP354
BP355
BP356
BP357
BP361
BP362
BP365
BP372
BP379
BP380
BP393
BP792
BP805
BP839
BP841
BP843
BP845
BP846
BP848
BP849
BP852
BP855
BP870
BP893
BP917
BP951
BP973
BP975
BP979

. . .

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BP347
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "rules" on the OEBP.


In the typical "rules" Bongard Problem, it is possible to come up with many convoluted rules that fit each example, but the intended interpretation is the only simple and obvious one.


Since it is difficult to communicate a rule with little detail, "rules" Bongard Problems are usually infodense.

Typically, each example is itself a bunch of smaller examples that all obey the rule. It is the same as how a Bongard Problems relies on many examples to communicate rules; likely just one example wouldn't get the answer across.

On the other hand, in BP1157 for example, each intended rule is communicated by just one example; these rules have to be particularly simple and intuitive, and the individual examples have to be complicated enough to communicate them.

Often, each rule is communicated by showing several examples of things satisfying it. (See keywords left-narrow and right-narrow.) Contrast Bongard Problems, which are more communicative, by showing some examples satisfying the rule and some examples NOT satisfying the rule.


A "rules" Bongard Problem is often collective. Some examples may admit multiple equally plausible rules, and the correct interpretation of each example only becomes clear once the solution is known. The group of examples together improve the solver's confidence about having understood each individual one right.

It is common that there will be one or two examples with multiple reasonable interpretations due to oversight of the author.

CROSSREFS

All meta Bongard Problems are "rules" Bongard Problems.

Many other Bongard-Problem-like structures seen on the OEBP are also about recognizing a pattern. (See keyword structure.)


"Rules" Bongard Problems are abstract, although the individual rules in them may not be abstract. "Rules" Bongard Problems also usually have the keyword creativeexamples.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1153 BP1154 BP1155 BP1156 BP1157  *  BP1159 BP1160 BP1161 BP1162 BP1163

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, rules

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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