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BP913 Bongard Problems in which fine subtleties of images may be considered with respect to the solution (no slightly wrong hand-drawings!) vs. other visual Bongard Problems.
BP1
BP160
BP199
BP210
BP211
BP213
BP216
BP217
BP223
BP312
BP321
BP324
BP325
BP335
BP341
BP344
BP348
BP367
BP368
BP386
BP523
BP529
BP530
BP531
BP532
BP533
BP551
BP557
BP559
BP564
BP816
BP852
BP859
BP860
BP861

. . .

BP5
BP6
BP72
BP91
BP136
BP148
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BP119
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "perfect" on the OEBP.

Right examples have the keyword "ignoreimperfections".


Consider the difference in style between BP344 and BP24.


Hand-drawn figures in BPs are typically imperfect. A "circles vs. squares" BP may only show what are approximately circles and approximately squares. A pedant might append to the solutions of all Bongard Problems the caveat "...when figures are interpreted as the most obvious shapes they approximate."

This is the meaning of the label "ignoreimperfections". On the other hand, the label "perfect" means even the pedant would drop this caveat; either all the images are precise, or precision doesn't matter (see also keyword stable).


Even in BPs tagged "perfect", the tiny rough edges caused by image pixelation are not expected to matter. If the OEBP would indeed prefer users only upload pixel-perfect examples, a BP can be tagged with the stricter keyword pixelperfect.

E.g., for BPs having to do with smooth curves and lines, "perfect" only requires images offer the best possible approximation of those intended shapes given the resolution.


Most Bongard Problems involving small details at all would be tagged "perfect". However, this is not always so; sometimes the small details are intended to be noticed, but certain imperfections are still intended to be overlooked.


BP119 ("small correction results in circle vs. not") is an interesting example: imperfections matter with respect to the outline being closed, but imperfections do not matter with respect to circular-ness.


If a Bongard Problem on the OEBP is tagged "ignoreimperfections" -- i.e., it has imperfect hand drawings -- then other keywords are generally applied relative to the intended idea, a corrected version sans imperfect hand drawings. (For example, this is how the keywords precise and stable are applied. Alternative versions of these keywords, which factor in imperfect hand drawings, could be made instead, but that would be less useful.)




It may be better to change the definition of "perfect" so it only applies to Bongard Problems such that small changes can potentially switch an example's side / remove it from the Bongard Problem. That would cut down on the number of Bongard Problems to label "perfect". There isn't currently a single keyword for "small changes can potentially switch an example's side / remove it from the Bongard Problem", but this is basically captured by unstable or unstableworld. There is also deformunstable which uses a different notion of "small change". - Aaron David Fairbanks, Jun 16 2023

CROSSREFS

See BP508 for discussion of this topic in relation to Bongard Problems tagged precise.


Stable Bongard Problems are generally "perfect".

Pixelperfect implies "perfect".


The keywords proofsrequired and noproofs (BP1125) have a similar relationship: "noproofs" indicates a lenience for a certain kind of imperfection.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP908 BP909 BP910 BP911 BP912  *  BP914 BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918

EXAMPLE

Many Bongard Problems involving properties of curves (e.g. BP62) really are about those wiggly, imperfect curves; they qualify as "perfect" problems. On the other hand, Bongard Problems involving polygons, (e.g. BP5) often show only approximately-straight lines; they are not "perfect" problems.

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, wellfounded

WORLD

visualbp [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (perfect_bp)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP910 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: multiplicative product vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP907
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP905 BP906 BP907 BP908 BP909  *  BP911 BP912 BP913 BP914 BP915

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "product"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP909 Totally ordered triplet comparison Bongard Problems vs. partially ordered triplet comparison Bongard Problems
BP54
BP64
BP558
BP381
BP790
BP791
BP907
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COMMENTS

Swapping any 2 objects in a totally ordered triplet would change the information being conveyed. A partially ordered triplet could be parsed as an unordered pair and a 3rd object that relates to the pair.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907 BP908  *  BP910 BP911 BP912 BP913 BP914

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links

WORLD

ordered_triplet_comparison_bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP908 Ordered triplet comparison Bongard Problems vs. unordered triplet comparison Bongard Problems
BP54
BP64
BP234
BP324
BP325
BP339
BP381
BP548
BP558
BP790
BP791
BP1260
BP39
BP78
BP161
BP907
BP934
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "orderedtriplet" on the OEBP.

Right examples have the keyword "unorderedtriplet" on the OEBP.


An ordered triplet can be totally ordered (swapping any 2 objects would change the information being conveyed by the panel) or partially ordered (unordered pair and a 3rd object that relates to the pair).

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907  *  BP909 BP910 BP911 BP912 BP913

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

triplet_comparison_bp [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (ordered_triplet_comparison_bp)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP906 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: 2 inputs 1 output vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP381
BP790
BP791
BP907
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP901 BP902 BP903 BP904 BP905  *  BP907 BP908 BP909 BP910 BP911

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "2_inputs_1_output"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP902 This Bongard Problem vs. anything else.
BP902
BP1

becious

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COMMENTS

Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally.

CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP959.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp902)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP901 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: projection of an object onto a lower dimension vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP557
BP900
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900  *  BP902 BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "projection"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP895 Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems based on other information than just their solutions (e.g. what format the Bongard Problem is, or what specific examples are shown in it) vs. Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on solution.
BP504
BP793
BP795
BP802
BP803
BP827
BP831
BP834
BP871
BP872
BP894
BP1150
BP200
BP796
BP829
BP830
BP832
BP833
BP835
BP836
BP868
BP873
BP874
BP875
BP876
BP877
BP878
BP879
BP880
BP881
BP895
BP927
BP944
BP948
BP952
BP954
BP987
BP1024
BP1025
BP1026
BP1027
BP1028
BP1029
BP1030
BP1031
BP1032
BP1033

. . .

?
BP828
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationmatters" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationinvariant" on the OEBP.


Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another. (Meta Bongard Problems that sort images of Bongard Problems have the keyword miniproblems, whereas meta Bongard Problems that sort links to OEBP pages have the keyword links.)


For meta-pages on the OEBP that sort other pages on the OEBP (keyword links), "presentationmatters" means factoring in content like the BP number, the currently uploaded examples, the wording of the title, the description, and so on, rather than just the solution (that is, how the page would sort all potential examples). This is unusual.


"One solution vs. multiple solutions" (BP828) seems like a border-case. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 01 2020

CROSSREFS

See BP1010 (projectionmatters versus 3d) for a similar idea: there 2D representations are to 3D objects as here Bongard Problems are to Bongard Problem solutions.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893 BP894  *  BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless, metameta, right-it, dependence, presentationinvariant

WORLD

metabp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP894 Examples fit solution (once it is known) relatively obviously vs. examples fit solution in subtle or complex, harder-to-see ways.
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COMMENTS

One left and one right example with each solution are shown for help.


This BP is fuzzy for multiple reasons. How obvious it is that an example fits a rule is subjective. Also, somebody could read the simplicity of all included examples as part of a Bongard Problem's solution. For example, the more obvious version of "square number of dots vs. non-square number of dots" could be interpreted as "square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way vs. non-square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way."


Whether this Bongard Problem solution would categorize an image of itself left or right depends on the difficulty of the solutions of the mini-Problems.

CROSSREFS

See keyword help.

See keyword hardsort.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893  *  BP895 BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899

KEYWORD

fuzzy, abstract, notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, contributepairs

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP890 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: physically fitting vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP175
BP850
BP892
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP885 BP886 BP887 BP888 BP889  *  BP891 BP892 BP893 BP894 BP895

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "physically_fitting"

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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