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BP541 Bongard Problems vs. anything else.
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blllmam

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nongard

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COMMENTS

This refers to all Bongard Problem solution ideas. No need to be a particularly well-made or well-defined Bongard Problem.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP536 BP537 BP538 BP539 BP540  *  BP542 BP543 BP544 BP545 BP546

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, world, left-self, right-null, left-it, feedback

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP542 BP Pages on the OEBP vs. anything else.
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BP1073
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nolab

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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP537 BP538 BP539 BP540 BP541  *  BP543 BP544 BP545 BP546 BP547

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, oebp, world, left-self, right-null, left-it, feedback

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bppage)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP544 Everything vs. nothing.

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BP544
BP1073

dog

nothing

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COMMENTS

All ideas and things, with no limits.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP539 BP540 BP541 BP542 BP543  *  BP545 BP546 BP547 BP548 BP549

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, world, left-self, right-finite, right-full, left-null, left-it, feedback, experimental, funny

CONCEPT existence (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (everything) | zoom in right (nothing)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
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BP541
BP542
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BP553
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BP866
BP867

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BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP895 Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems based on other information than just their solutions (e.g. what format the Bongard Problem is, or what specific examples are shown in it) vs. Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on solution.
BP504
BP793
BP795
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BP803
BP827
BP831
BP834
BP871
BP872
BP894
BP1150
BP200
BP796
BP829
BP830
BP832
BP833
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BP868
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BP895
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BP954
BP987
BP1024
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BP1033

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BP828
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationmatters" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationinvariant" on the OEBP.


Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another. (Meta Bongard Problems that sort images of Bongard Problems have the keyword miniproblems, whereas meta Bongard Problems that sort links to OEBP pages have the keyword links.)


For meta-pages on the OEBP that sort other pages on the OEBP (keyword links), "presentationmatters" means factoring in content like the BP number, the currently uploaded examples, the wording of the title, the description, and so on, rather than just the solution (that is, how the page would sort all potential examples). This is unusual.


"One solution vs. multiple solutions" (BP828) seems like a border-case. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 01 2020

CROSSREFS

See BP1010 (projectionmatters versus 3d) for a similar idea: there 2D representations are to 3D objects as here Bongard Problems are to Bongard Problem solutions.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893 BP894  *  BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless, metameta, right-it, dependence, presentationinvariant

WORLD

metabp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP902 This Bongard Problem vs. anything else.
BP902
BP1

becious

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COMMENTS

Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally.

CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP959.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp902)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP1126 Meta Bongard Problems in which examples are pages on the OEBP vs. meta Bongard Problems in which examples are pictures of Bongard Problems.
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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "links" on the OEBP.

Bongard Problems sorted right have the keyword "miniproblems" on the OEBP.


The keyword "links" is automatically added to a Bongard Problem on the OEBP if a BP number is added as an example.


Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions (keyword presentationmatters) usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another.

CROSSREFS

All the examples of miniature Bongard Problems within any meta Bongard Problem tagged "miniproblems" would fit left on BP1080 (which is a showcase of the various formats for images of Bongard Problems).

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1121 BP1122 BP1123 BP1124 BP1125  *  BP1127 BP1128 BP1129 BP1130 BP1131

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, world, left-self, metameta

WORLD

metabp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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