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BP506 |
| Bongard Problems whose solutions are hard to put into words vs. Bongard Problems whose solutions are easy to put into words. |
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Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "unwordable" on the OEBP.
"Unwordable" does not just mean convoluted, that is, involving a long description. "Unwordable" also does not just mean hard. Unwordable Bongard Problems are instead those Bongard Problems whose solutions tend to occur to people nonverbally before verbally. The typical "unwordable" Bongard Problem solution is not too difficult to see, and may be easy to describe vaguely, but hard to pin down in language.
The solution title given on the OEBP for "unwordable" pages is often something vague and evocative, further elaborated on in the comments. For example, the title for BP524 is "Same objects are shown lined up in both 'universes' vs. the two 'universes' are not aligned." If someone said this, it would be clear they had seen the answer, even though this is not a clear description.
Bongard Problems have been sorted here based on how hard they are to put into words in English. (See keyword culture.) It may be interesting to consider whether or not the same choices would be made with respect to other languages. |
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP501 BP502 BP503 BP504 BP505  *  BP507 BP508 BP509 BP510 BP511
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notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, sideless
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WORLD
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bp [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP518 |
| Keywords on the OEBP vs. other Bongard Problem pages. |
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BP537 |
| Meta Bongard Problems vs. other Bongard Problems. |
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BP539 |
| Meta Bongard Problems such that if the sides of an example Bongard Problem are switched its sorting within the meta Problem may switch vs. meta Bongard Problems that always sort flipped versions on the same side. |
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BP867 |
| Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so. |
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.
This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.
Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).
When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).
BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.
The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.
All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:
1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.
2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.
If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here). |
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See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)
Contrast keyword viceversa.
"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny
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everything [smaller | same] zoom in left
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1126 |
| Meta Bongard Problems in which examples are pages on the OEBP vs. meta Bongard Problems in which examples are pictures of Bongard Problems. |
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Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "links" on the OEBP.
Bongard Problems sorted right have the keyword "miniproblems" on the OEBP.
The keyword "links" is automatically added to a Bongard Problem on the OEBP if a BP number is added as an example.
Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions (keyword presentationmatters) usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another. |
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All the examples of miniature Bongard Problems within any meta Bongard Problem tagged "miniproblems" would fit left on BP1080 (which is a showcase of the various formats for images of Bongard Problems).
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1121 BP1122 BP1123 BP1124 BP1125  *  BP1127 BP1128 BP1129 BP1130 BP1131
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meta (see left/right), links, keyword, world, left-self, metameta
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WORLD
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metabp [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1170 |
| Meta Bongard Problems of the form "[transformation] applied to any example renders it unsortable vs. some example can remain sorted after [transformation]" vs. other meta Bongard Problems. |
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "problemkiller" on the OEBP.
An example could be unsortable because it does not conform to the format of all the examples in the Bongard Problem, or it could be formatted like the other examples but be treated ambiguously by the solution. It seems the Bongard Problems currently labeled "problemkiller" mostly deal with examples becoming unsortable because they no longer conform to the format. (The examples become unsortable because they leave the "world" of the Bongard Problem. See https://www.oebp.org/world.php .) - Aaron David Fairbanks, Jun 15 2023 |
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"Problemkiller" Bongard Problems are notso Bongard Problems.
See keyword invariance, which is about transformations making some example switch sides rather than transformations making all examples unsortable.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1165 BP1166 BP1167 BP1168 BP1169  *  BP1171 BP1172 BP1173 BP1174 BP1175
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword
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WORLD
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linksbp [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Leo Crabbe
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