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BP847 Evokes the idea of symmetry vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

Or, perhaps more concretely, "Depiction of object with some symmetry (invariance under transformation) vs. depiction of object with no simple symmetries."

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP842 BP843 BP844 BP845 BP846  *  BP848 BP849 BP850 BP851 BP852

KEYWORD

nice, fuzzy, abstract, math, concept, collective, dithering

CONCEPT symmetry (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP865 The class of included examples is distractingly irrelevant to the solution vs. not so.
BP965
BP1105
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COMMENTS

Left examples have keyword "distractingworld" on the OEBP.


This is different than the kind of distraction mentioned at noisy, which means there are details that are irrelevant to the solution changing between examples.


To label a BP "distractingworld" is to judge that the type of examples are more specific than should have been necessary to communicate the same general solution idea--this involves separating out which ideas are the nice ideas the BP really ought to have been about, and which ideas seem unimportant and irrelevant. On the other hand, to label a BP "noisy" is just to notice there are extra properties varying that are independent of the solution property.

CROSSREFS

Distractingworld BPs are often arbitrary.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP860 BP861 BP862 BP863 BP864  *  BP866 BP867 BP868 BP869 BP870

EXAMPLE

BP1105 was created as an extreme example of this. All images in that BP show the same distractingly detailed background, irrelevant to the solution.

KEYWORD

stub, fuzzy, abstract, subjective, meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP869 Approximately symmetric vs. asymmetric.
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COMMENTS

Or, "evokes idea of symmetry (see BP760) vs. not so," which is also a solution for BP847. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Jul 29 2020

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP864 BP865 BP866 BP867 BP868  *  BP870 BP871 BP872 BP873 BP874

KEYWORD

abstract, spectrum, anticomputer, subjective, concept, perfect

CONCEPT imperfection_small (info | search),
symmetry (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP871 A reflection can switch an object's sorting vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

In particular, horizontal reflections work in all left examples.

An image of this Bongard Problem would fit on the left.

CROSSREFS

See BP552 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP866 BP867 BP868 BP869 BP870  *  BP872 BP873 BP874 BP875 BP876

KEYWORD

hard, abstract, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, infodense, assumesfamiliarity, structure

WORLD

bpimage_shapes [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP879 Solution involves one absolute quantity vs. solution involves relative quantity (comparing two quantities).
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP874 BP875 BP876 BP877 BP878  *  BP880 BP881 BP882 BP883 BP884

KEYWORD

abstract, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant

WORLD

bpimage_shapes_quantity_soln [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP880 Non-overlapping sides (patterns are disjoint) vs. possible object(s) could fit in overlap of sides (patterns intersect).
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COMMENTS

"Allsorted" Bongard Problems (BP875left) always fit on the left.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP875 BP876 BP877 BP878 BP879  *  BP881 BP882 BP883 BP884 BP885

KEYWORD

abstract, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant

WORLD

bpimage_shapes [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP881 Right pattern is proper subset of left pattern vs. right pattern is not subset of left pattern.
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COMMENTS

You can try to interpret these images as Bongard Problems. This works just when the left side includes no objects that would fit in with the right side (as in EX7357 but not EX7361), the solution is "not [right pattern] vs. [right pattern]"; otherwise there is no apparent solution.


The solvable Bongard Problems sorted left here are right-narrow and not left-narrow, with the left side the negation of the right side (see notso).

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP876 BP877 BP878 BP879 BP880  *  BP882 BP883 BP884 BP885 BP886

KEYWORD

abstract, handed, leftright, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant

WORLD

bpimage_shapes_nosoln_allowed [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP882 Vaguely positive vs. vaguely negative
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COMMENTS

Requires cultural knowledge, e.g. for specific warning symbols

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP877 BP878 BP879 BP880 BP881  *  BP883 BP884 BP885 BP886 BP887

KEYWORD

easy, less, abstract, spectrum, anticomputer, subjective, culture, invalid

AUTHOR

Thomas Joyce

BP894 Examples fit solution (once it is known) relatively obviously vs. examples fit solution in subtle or complex, harder-to-see ways.
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COMMENTS

One left and one right example with each solution are shown for help.


This BP is fuzzy for multiple reasons. How obvious it is that an example fits a rule is subjective. Also, somebody could read the simplicity of all included examples as part of a Bongard Problem's solution. For example, the more obvious version of "square number of dots vs. non-square number of dots" could be interpreted as "square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way vs. non-square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way."


Whether this Bongard Problem solution would categorize an image of itself left or right depends on the difficulty of the solutions of the mini-Problems.

CROSSREFS

See keyword help.

See keyword hardsort.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893  *  BP895 BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899

KEYWORD

fuzzy, abstract, notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, contributepairs

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP917 Reversible transformations vs. non-reversible transformations.
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COMMENTS

All examples depict a process that transforms one object into another (two example input-output pairs are provided in every panel). In left-sorted examples, each input corresponds to a unique output, whereas in right-sorted examples, different inputs could potentially lead to the same output. There is a sense in which all the processes described on the right "lose" some amount of the input's information.

REFERENCE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injective_function

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP912 BP913 BP914 BP915 BP916  *  BP918 BP919 BP920 BP921 BP922

KEYWORD

nice, abstract, creativeexamples, structure, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT convey_enough_information (info | search),
function (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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