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BP831 Image of a Bongard Problem with left side having two rules and right side narrowing it down vs. image of Bongard Problem whose right hand side adds no information.
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COMMENTS

Right examples are Bongard Problems in which the left hand side is enough to communicate the full answer.


No examples shown have right side with multiple rules and left side narrowing down the answer.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP826 BP827 BP828 BP829 BP830  *  BP832 BP833 BP834 BP835 BP836

KEYWORD

hard, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, contributepairs

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP833 Image of a Bongard Problem with (left) solution property that can have multiplicity vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

All examples are "object present vs. object absent" Problems.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP828 BP829 BP830 BP831 BP832  *  BP834 BP835 BP836 BP837 BP838

KEYWORD

abstract, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT existence (info | search),
number (info | search),
one (info | search)

WORLD

[smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP834 Image of a Bongard Problem such that the bottom left box rules out a solution vs. no single box affects the solution.
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COMMENTS

When removal of a box changes the solution, it cannot remove the existing solution; it can only allow more possible new solutions. Conversely, adding boxes can only narrow down between existing solutions.


The special box is always placed in the bottom left for help, but another solution is "there is some box whose removal allows another solution vs. not".


Bongard Problems sorted left might be called "deceptive". Especially when the solution ruled out by the one box is the more obvious solution.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP829 BP830 BP831 BP832 BP833  *  BP835 BP836 BP837 BP838 BP839

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP835 Image of a Bongard Problem with solution about tiling vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

"Tiling" is placing shapes next to each other without overlap to fill up space or other shapes.

CROSSREFS

See BP706 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP830 BP831 BP832 BP833 BP834  *  BP836 BP837 BP838 BP839 BP840

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT tiling (info | search)

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP836 Image of a Bongard Problem with solution about a geometrical symmetry (invariance under spatial transformation) vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

Every Bongard Problem on the left shows invariance under some transformation in left sub-examples.


Some Bongard Problems on the right are symmetrical or have sub-examples that are symmetrical.

CROSSREFS

See BP760 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP831 BP832 BP833 BP834 BP835  *  BP837 BP838 BP839 BP840 BP841

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT symmetry (info | search)

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
BP32
BP77
BP82
BP127
BP243
BP257
BP274
BP288
BP323
BP344
BP376
BP381
BP385
BP390
BP506
BP507
BP515
BP516
BP538
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP545
BP553
BP559
BP569
BP576
BP812
BP816
BP818
BP823
BP825
BP852
BP866
BP867

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BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP894 Examples fit solution (once it is known) relatively obviously vs. examples fit solution in subtle or complex, harder-to-see ways.
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COMMENTS

One left and one right example with each solution are shown for help.


This BP is fuzzy for multiple reasons. How obvious it is that an example fits a rule is subjective. Also, somebody could read the simplicity of all included examples as part of a Bongard Problem's solution. For example, the more obvious version of "square number of dots vs. non-square number of dots" could be interpreted as "square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way vs. non-square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way."


Whether this Bongard Problem solution would categorize an image of itself left or right depends on the difficulty of the solutions of the mini-Problems.

CROSSREFS

See keyword help.

See keyword hardsort.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893  *  BP895 BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899

KEYWORD

fuzzy, abstract, notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, contributepairs

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP902 This Bongard Problem vs. anything else.
BP902
BP1

becious

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COMMENTS

Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally.

CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP959.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp902)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP1083 Image of Bongard Problem where each left example corresponds intuitively to a right example vs. image of Bongard Problem whose examples do not share this correlation.
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CROSSREFS

See BP919 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1078 BP1079 BP1080 BP1081 BP1082  *  BP1084 BP1085 BP1086 BP1087 BP1088

KEYWORD

teach, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, presentationinvariant

WORLD

boxes_bpimage [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP1084 Images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems vs. images of Bongard Problems not including images of Bongard Problems.
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CROSSREFS

See BP537 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1079 BP1080 BP1081 BP1082 BP1083  *  BP1085 BP1086 BP1087 BP1088 BP1089

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, perfect, infinitedetail, presentationinvariant

WORLD

boxes_bpimage [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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