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BP919 BP Pages on the OEBP where users are advised to upload left examples and right examples in pairs vs. other BP Pages.
BP197
BP332
BP349
BP360
BP364
BP373
BP389
BP392
BP393
BP528
BP532
BP533
BP805
BP827
BP830
BP831
BP842
BP845
BP846
BP848
BP852
BP894
BP903
BP912
BP939
BP941
BP998
BP1049
BP1183
BP1286
BP919
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "contributepairs" on the OEBP.


When this keyword is added to a Problem, OEBP users are advised to add a corresponding right example for every left example they add and vice versa.


It is common for Bongard Problems to present left examples on the left side and corresponding altered versions of those examples on the right side, tweaked only slightly, to highlight the difference and make the solution easier to see (see keyword help).


This is common in more abstract Bongard Problems that admit a wide range of examples, a variety of different styles or types (e.g. BP360). Showing two versions of the same thing, one on the left and one on the right, helps a person interpret what that thing is meant to be in the context of the Bongard Problem; whatever qualities vary between the two in the pair must be relevant.


If a person cannot sort an example according to the solution property without seeing its corresponding opposite example, the Bongard Problem is invalid (see https://www.oebp.org/invalid.php ). There is no one rule dividing the sides; the solution is not a method to determine whether an arbitrary example fits left or right. See also Bongard Problems with the keyword collective, which are similarly borderline-invalid.


A BP in which each left example corresponds to a right example and vice versa could be remade as a Bongard Problem in which the left examples are the pairs. For example BP360 would turn into "a pair consisting of the ordered version of something and the chaotic version of the same thing vs. a pair of things not satisfying this relationship." This process would turn a Bongard Problem that is invalid in the sense described above into a valid one.

(See keyword orderedpair.)


In some "contributepairs" Bongard Problems there really is a natural choice of left version for every right example and vice versa (see keyword dual); in others the choice is artificially imposed by the Bongard Problem creator.


When "contributepairs" Bongard Problems are laid out in the format with a grid of boxes on either side of a dividing line, the boxes may be arranged so as to highlight the correspondence: either


A B | A B

E F | E F

G H | G H


or


A B | B A

E F | F E

G H | H G.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP914 BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918  *  BP920 BP921 BP922 BP923 BP924

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, oebp, right-self, instruction

WORLD

bppage [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (correspondence_bp)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP914 Bongard Problems relating to concept: five vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP85
BP86
BP87
BP88
BP89
BP231
BP302
BP531
BP1048
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP909 BP910 BP911 BP912 BP913  *  BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918 BP919

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "five"
Searchable synonyms: "5".

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP913 Bongard Problems in which fine subtleties of images may be considered with respect to the solution (no slightly wrong hand-drawings) vs. other visual Bongard Problems.
BP1
BP160
BP199
BP210
BP211
BP213
BP216
BP217
BP223
BP312
BP321
BP324
BP325
BP335
BP341
BP344
BP348
BP367
BP368
BP386
BP523
BP529
BP530
BP531
BP532
BP533
BP551
BP557
BP559
BP564
BP816
BP852
BP859
BP860
BP861

. . .

BP5
BP6
BP72
BP91
BP136
BP148
?
BP119
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "perfect" on the OEBP.

Right examples have the keyword "ignoreimperfections".


Consider the difference in style between BP344 and BP24.


Hand-drawn figures in BPs are typically imperfect. A "circles vs. squares" BP may only show what are approximately circles and approximately squares. A pedant might append to the solutions of all Bongard Problems the caveat "...when figures are interpreted as the most obvious shapes they approximate."

This is the meaning of the label "ignoreimperfections". On the other hand, the label "perfect" means even the pedant would drop this caveat; either all the images are precise, or precision doesn't matter (see also keyword stable).


Even in BPs tagged "perfect", the tiny rough edges caused by image pixelation are not expected to matter. If the OEBP would indeed prefer users only upload pixel-perfect examples, a BP can be tagged with the stricter keyword pixelperfect.

E.g., for BPs having to do with smooth curves and lines, "perfect" only requires images offer the best possible approximation of those intended shapes given the resolution.


Most Bongard Problems involving small details at all would be tagged "perfect". However, this is not always so; sometimes the small details are intended to be noticed, but certain imperfections are still intended to be overlooked.


BP119 ("small correction results in circle vs. not") is an interesting example: imperfections matter with respect to the outline being closed, but imperfections do not matter with respect to circular-ness.


If a Bongard Problem on the OEBP is tagged "ignoreimperfections" -- i.e., it has imperfect hand drawings -- then other keywords are generally applied relative to the intended idea, a corrected version sans imperfect hand drawings. (For example, this is how the keywords precise and stable are applied. Alternative versions of these keywords, which factor in imperfect hand drawings, could be made instead, but that would be less useful.)




It may be better to change the definition of "perfect" so it only applies to Bongard Problems such that small changes can potentially switch an example's side / remove it from the Bongard Problem. That would cut down on the number of Bongard Problems to label "perfect". There isn't currently a single keyword for "small changes can potentially switch an example's side / remove it from the Bongard Problem", but this is basically captured by unstable or unstableworld. There is also deformunstable which uses a different notion of "small change". - Aaron David Fairbanks, Jun 16 2023

CROSSREFS

See BP508 for discussion of this topic in relation to Bongard Problems tagged precise.


Stable Bongard Problems are generally "perfect".

Pixelperfect implies "perfect".


The keywords proofsrequired and noproofs (BP1125) have a similar relationship: "noproofs" indicates a lenience for a certain kind of imperfection.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP908 BP909 BP910 BP911 BP912  *  BP914 BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918

EXAMPLE

Many Bongard Problems involving properties of curves (e.g. BP62) really are about those wiggly, imperfect curves; they qualify as "perfect" problems. On the other hand, Bongard Problems involving polygons, (e.g. BP5) often show only approximately-straight lines; they are not "perfect" problems.

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, wellfounded

WORLD

visualbp [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (perfect_bp)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP888 Metaconcept BPs for cardinal numbers vs. other metaconcept BPs.
BP883
BP884
BP885
BP886
BP887
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP883 BP884 BP885 BP886 BP887  *  BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metameta

WORLD

metaconcept [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP887 Bongard Problems relating to concept: four vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP6
BP10
BP40
BP87
BP90
BP91
BP145
BP302
BP1210
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP882 BP883 BP884 BP885 BP886  *  BP888 BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "four"
Searchable synonyms: "4".

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP886 Bongard Problems relating to concept: three vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP6
BP10
BP39
BP40
BP85
BP86
BP88
BP89
BP90
BP91
BP141
BP142
BP144
BP147
BP156
BP166
BP167
BP255
BP302
BP308
BP531
BP806
BP925
BP949
BP1019
BP1047
BP1049
BP1053
BP1063
BP1138
BP1226
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP881 BP882 BP883 BP884 BP885  *  BP887 BP888 BP889 BP890 BP891

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "three"
Searchable synonyms: "3".

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP885 Bongard Problems relating to concept: two vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP23
BP31
BP70
BP71
BP141
BP142
BP144
BP147
BP156
BP166
BP167
BP169
BP181
BP205
BP220
BP302
BP343
BP828
BP949
BP1019
BP1047
BP1053
BP1054
BP1058
BP1063
BP1068
BP1138
BP1197
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP880 BP881 BP882 BP883 BP884  *  BP886 BP887 BP888 BP889 BP890

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "two"
Searchable synonyms: "2".

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP884 Bongard Problems relating to concept: one vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP23
BP31
BP141
BP145
BP149
BP181
BP220
BP322
BP349
BP833
BP1053
BP1062
BP1063
BP1066
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP879 BP880 BP881 BP882 BP883  *  BP885 BP886 BP887 BP888 BP889

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "one"
Searchable synonyms: "1".

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP883 Bongard Problems relating to concept: zero vs. other Bongard Problems.
BP1
BP829
BP1056
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP878 BP879 BP880 BP881 BP882  *  BP884 BP885 BP886 BP887 BP888

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "zero"
Searchable synonyms: "0".

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
BP32
BP77
BP82
BP127
BP243
BP257
BP274
BP288
BP323
BP344
BP376
BP381
BP385
BP390
BP395
BP396
BP397
BP398
BP506
BP507
BP515
BP516
BP538
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP545
BP553
BP559
BP569
BP576
BP812
BP816
BP818
BP823

. . .

BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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