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BP867 on 2021-02-11 14:09:36 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

The "not" side conventionally tends to be the right side.

When one property is "positive-seeming" property and its opposite is "negative-seeming", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Since "not so" Bongard Problems usually have a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right, they are often "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

However, the solution may sometimes still be phrased as "___ vs. not so" when both sides are positive-seeming: usually when the left and right side partition the whole example set into two groups (see the "wholesort" keyword left-BP509). Consider, for example, two equivalent definitions of a Bongard Problem: "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is".

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-11 14:09:14 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

The "not" side tends to conventionally be the right side.

When one property is "positive-seeming" property and its opposite is "negative-seeming", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Since "not so" Bongard Problems usually have a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right, they are often "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

However, the solution may sometimes still be phrased as "___ vs. not so" when both sides are positive-seeming: usually when the left and right side partition the whole example set into two groups (see the "wholesort" keyword left-BP509). Consider, for example, two equivalent definitions of a Bongard Problem: "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is".

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-11 14:05:19 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-seeming" property and its opposite is "negative-seeming", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Since "not so" Bongard Problems usually have a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right, they are often "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

However, the solution may sometimes still be phrased as "___ vs. not so" when both sides are positive-seeming: usually when the left and right side partition the whole example set into two groups (see the "wholesort" keyword left-BP509). Consider, for example, two equivalent definitions of a Bongard Problem: "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is".

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-11 14:04:32 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-seeming" property and its opposite is "negative-seeming", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Since "not so" Bongard Problems usually have a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right, they are often "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

However, the solution may sometimes still be phrased as "___ vs. not so" when both sides are positive-seeming: usually when the left and right side partition the whole example set into two groups (see the "wholesort" keyword left-BP509). Consider, for example, two equivalent descriptions of a BP: "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is".

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-11 14:01:31 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for the semimeta version.

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs are assigned keyword "wholesort" (left-BP509)--that is, they sort all relevant examples--unless there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether fitting [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-02-11 13:59:59 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-seeming" property and its opposite is "negative-seeming", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Since "not so" Bongard Problems usually have a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right, they are often "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

However, the solution may sometimes still be phrased as "___ vs. not so" when both sides are positive-seeming: usually when the left and right side partition the whole example set into two groups (see the "wholesort" keyword left-BP509).

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-11 13:58:20 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-seeming" property and its opposite is "negative-seeming", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Since "not so" Bongard Problems usually have a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right, they are often "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

Sometimes, however, the solution can still be naturally phrased as "___ vs. not so" when both sides are positive-seeming--usually when the left and right side partition the whole example set into two groups (see the "wholesort" keyword left-BP509).

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-11 13:52:27 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:31:46 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for the semimeta version.

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs are usually assigned keyword "wholesort" (left-BP509)--that is, they sort all relevant examples--unless there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether fitting [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:31:17 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-feeling" property and its opposite is "negative-feeling", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Thus, "Not so" Bongard Problems are usually "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow" (BP514).

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:29:59 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-feeling" property and its opposite is "negative-feeling", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Thus, "Not so" Bongard Problems are usually "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow" (BP514).

For a Bongard Problem's solution to be phrased as "[Property A] vs. not so", the right hand side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. For example, "triangles vs. not so" might only include the other polygons as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (but it is in this BP).

BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:23:13 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-feeling" property and its opposite is "negative-feeling", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. Thus, "Not so" Bongard Problems are usually "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow" (BP514).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for the semimeta version.

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs are usually assigned keyword "wholesort" (left-BP509)--that is, they sort all relevant examples--unless there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether having [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:20:17 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

When one property is "positive-feeling" property and its opposite is "negative-feeling", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. "Not so" Problems are usually "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow" (BP514).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for the semimeta version.

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs are usually "wholesort" BPs (left-BP509), unless there are some ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they have [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:12:20 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

When one property is "positive-feeling" property and its opposite is "negative-feeling", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such).

See left-BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") for Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

BP867 on 2021-02-09 20:12:03 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

When one property is "positive-feeling" property and its opposite is "negative-feeling", that usually means the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them), while the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such). See left-BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") for Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side.

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for the semimeta version.

"Not so" Problems are often "wholesort" Problems (left-BP509).

"Not so" Problems are usually "left-narrow" Problems (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow" Problems (BP514).

BP867 on 2021-02-07 19:32:59 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

We cannot expect to include all the fitting left (or right) examples on the OEBP here.

"Not so" Problems are closely related to "wholesort" Problems (left-BP509).

On the OEBP, the "not" side is conventionally the right side.

"Not so" Problems are typically narrow on on the left side (left-BP513) and not narrow on the right side (right-BP514). This will not be true in a "small enough" world where both sides are narrow. In these cases it is sometimes not clear which side is more naturally interpreted as "not" its opposite.

BP867 on 2021-02-02 21:32:56 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-01-31 18:53:09 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-01-29 16:24:43 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2020-12-22 19:37:01 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2020-12-14 14:39:46 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2020-12-14 04:29:57 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2020-12-14 02:25:37 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2020-12-14 01:32:51 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2020-12-13 15:30:38 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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