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BP867 on 2021-12-12 09:17:54 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:27:51 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a "not so" Bongard Problems is "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514), that makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is "left-narrow" (left-BP513).

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:27:19 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a "not so" Bongard Problems is "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514), that makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is narrow on at least one side, then it is "left-narrow" (left-BP513).

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:25:05 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a "not so" Bongard Problems is "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514), that makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is narrow on one side, then it is "left-narrow" (left-BP513).

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:23:58 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a "not so" Bongard Problems is "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514), that makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) The Bongard Problem is "left-narrow" (left-BP513).

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:23:11 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a "not so" Bongard Problems is "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514), that makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" means:

1) The Bongard Problem is "left-narrow" (left-BP513).

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:17:37 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP--but in that version, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent negation of the left side.

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs are often "allsorted" (left-BP509), meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear about whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:17:15 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. "Not so" Bongard Problems with a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right are usually "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP--but in that version, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent negation of the left side.

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs are often assigned keyword "allsorted" (left-BP509), meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear about whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:14:49 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnaturally) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. "Not so" Bongard Problems with a positive-seeming property on the left and a negative-seeming property on the right are usually "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514).

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:13:23 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Bongard Problems with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:06:24 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Bongard Problems with solution that can be expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.

BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:06:02 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-12 04:05:29 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP--but in that version, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent negation of the left side.

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs should be assigned keyword "allsorted" (left-BP509)--meaning they sort all relevant examples--unless there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear about whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2021-12-08 17:40:32 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2021-11-26 20:10:13 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2021-11-24 16:40:49 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-11-23 19:36:07 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2021-11-23 07:21:16 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP--but in that version, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent negation of the left side.

"[Property A] vs. not so" BPs will be assigned keyword "allsorted" (left-BP509)--that is, they sort all relevant examples--unless there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear about whether they fit [Property A] or not.


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