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BP867 on 2022-12-29 22:13:08 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the @allsorted keyword).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword @left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is @left-narrow and not "@right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is @left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

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See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of @links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)

Contrast keyword@viceversa.

"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often @allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2022-06-01 17:35:14 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2022-04-21 01:41:09 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:49:59 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often "allsorted" (left-BP509), meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:49:46 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent negation.)

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often "allsorted" (left-BP509), meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:49:09 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than the negation being context-dependent.)

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often "allsorted" (left-BP509), meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:48:13 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent negation of the left side.)

Contrast "viceversa" (left-BP1162).

"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often "allsorted" (left-BP509), meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:45:38 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.

This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.

Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the "allsorted" keyword left-BP509).

When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).

BP513 (keyword "left-narrow") is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is "left-narrow" (left-BP513) and not "right-narrow"(BP514), that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.

The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.

All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is "left-narrow" (left-BP513).

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.

If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here, in BP876).

BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:39:12 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:38:56 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2022-04-16 04:38:40 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2022-04-12 03:26:31 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP867 on 2022-01-09 16:35:42 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2022-01-04 16:02:38 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2022-01-04 14:58:11 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-24 16:27:18 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-16 19:34:00 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-14 12:55:29 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-14 10:11:32 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-13 19:57:36 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-13 19:54:59 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-13 17:21:57 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-13 17:11:47 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-13 16:23:26 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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BP867 on 2021-12-13 16:22:11 by Leo Crabbe                approved
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