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BP541 |
| Bongard Problems vs. anything else. |
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BP542 |
| BP Pages on the OEBP vs. anything else. |
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BP544 |
| Everything vs. nothing. |
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COMMENTS
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All ideas and things, with no limits. |
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP539 BP540 BP541 BP542 BP543  *  BP545 BP546 BP547 BP548 BP549
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KEYWORD
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, world, left-self, right-finite, right-full, left-null, left-it, feedback, experimental, funny
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CONCEPT
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existence (info | search)
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WORLD
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everything [smaller | same] zoom in left (everything) | zoom in right (nothing)
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP793 |
| Image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own left versus image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own right. |
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COMMENTS
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Rhetorical question: Where does this Bongard Problem sort an image of itself?
See BP999 and BP1004 for similar paradoxes.
Bongard Problems fitting left here evidently come in three categories: 1) would sort all Bongard Problems with the same solution left, 2) would sort all Bongard Problems with the same solution right, or 3) would sort some Bongard Problems with the same solution left and some right. See BP927. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP517 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).
See BP954, which is about Bongard Problems not only sorting themselves, but moreover fractally appearing in themselves as panels.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP788 BP789 BP790 BP791 BP792  *  BP794 BP795 BP796 BP797 BP798
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KEYWORD
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hard, nice, abstract, dual, handed, leftright, solved, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, experimental
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WORLD
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boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_left) | zoom in right (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_right)
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP795 |
| Image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own right versus image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own left. |
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"BONGARD HELL."
This the flipped version of BP793 but using only images of Bongard Problems with solution "__ half more black/less white than other half versus vice versa," that all use rotated, reflected, and inverted versions of the same examples. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP971 (left vs. right more black) and BP972 (top vs. bottom more black).
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP790 BP791 BP792 BP793 BP794  *  BP796 BP797 BP798 BP799 BP800
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KEYWORD
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hard, nice, abstract, dual, handed, leftright, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, presentationmatters, left-finite, right-finite, assumesfamiliarity, structure, experimental, funny
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WORLD
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bongard_hell [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left | zoom in right
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP796 |
| Image of a Bongard Problem that would sort a blank panel on its left versus image of a Bongard Problem that would sort a blank panel on its right. |
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See BP567 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP791 BP792 BP793 BP794 BP795  *  BP797 BP798 BP799 BP800 BP801
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KEYWORD
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hard, nice, abstract, dual, handed, leftright, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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boxes_bpimage [smaller | same | bigger]
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP802 |
| Image of Bongard Problem such that reflecting over the dividing line leaves the solution invariant versus not so. |
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BP867 |
| Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so. |
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.
This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.
Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).
When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).
BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.
The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.
All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:
1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.
2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.
If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here). |
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See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)
Contrast keyword viceversa.
"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872
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KEYWORD
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny
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WORLD
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everything [smaller | same] zoom in left
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP902 |
| This Bongard Problem vs. anything else. |
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COMMENTS
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Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP953, BP959.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907
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KEYWORD
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny
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CONCEPT
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self-reference (info | search), specificity (info | search)
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WORLD
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everything [smaller | same] zoom in left (bp902)
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AUTHOR
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Leo Crabbe
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BP927 |
| Image of Bongard Problem whose self-sorting depends on examples in it vs. image of Bongard Problem that will sort any Bongard Problem with its solution on either its left or right regardless of examples chosen. |
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All examples are Bongard Problems fitting left or right in BP793.
All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side.
Border cases are Bongard Problems that always self-sort one way given their particular visual format (e.g. fixed number of boxes), but self-sort a different way in another slightly different format.
Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit right here.
It is interesting to think about how this Bongard Problem sorts itself. The only self-consistent answer is that it fits right. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP793 "sorts self left vs. sorts self right".
See BP944 "sorts every BP on one side vs. doesn't".
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP922 BP923 BP924 BP925 BP926  *  BP928 BP929 BP930 BP931 BP932
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KEYWORD
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hard, solved, presentationinvariant, visualimagination
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WORLD
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boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_incarnation_dependent) | zoom in right
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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