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BP793 Image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own left versus image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own right.
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Rhetorical question: Where does this Bongard Problem sort an image of itself?

See BP999 and BP1004 for similar paradoxes.


Bongard Problems fitting left here evidently come in three categories: 1) would sort all Bongard Problems with the same solution left, 2) would sort all Bongard Problems with the same solution right, or 3) would sort some Bongard Problems with the same solution left and some right. See BP927.

CROSSREFS

See BP517 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).


See BP954, which is about Bongard Problems not only sorting themselves, but moreover fractally appearing in themselves as panels.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP788 BP789 BP790 BP791 BP792  *  BP794 BP795 BP796 BP797 BP798

KEYWORD

hard, nice, abstract, dual, handed, leftright, solved, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, experimental

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_left) | zoom in right (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_right)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP954 Solution could appear in a Bongard Problem that has itself as a panel vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

Loosely speaking, examples on the left are "Bongard Problems that can be self-similar". However, Bongard Problems with images of themselves deeply nested in boxes or rotated/flipped are not here considered "self-similar"; the Bongard Problem must use itself, as-is (allowing downward scaling and allowing infinite detail, ignoring pixelation--see keyword infinitedetail), as a panel.


Bongard Problems fitting left evidently come in three categories: 1) the Bongard Problem could only appear on its own left side, 2) the Bongard Problem could appear on its own right side, or 3) the Bongard Problem could appear on its own left or the right side. See BP987.


Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit left here.


All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side. (A more general version of this Bongard Problem might allow many formats of Bongard Problems, sorting an image left if a self-similar version is possible having the same solution and format. This more general version would no longer be tagged presentationinvariant, since sorting would not only depend on solution, but also format.)


It would hint at the solution (keyword help) to only include images of Bongard Problems that, as it stands, are already clearly categorized on one side by themselves. (That is, images of Bongard Problems that belong on one of the two sides of BP793.) It is tricky to come up with images that are categorized by themselves as it stands but that could NOT be recursively included within themselves. EX7967, EX7999, EX7995, and EX6574 are some examples.

CROSSREFS

See BP987 which narrows down the left-hand side of this BP further based on whether or not the BP could contain itself as a panel on both sides.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP949 BP950 BP951 BP952 BP953  *  BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958 BP959

KEYWORD

hard, abstract, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, infinitedetail, presentationinvariant, visualimagination

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP927 Image of Bongard Problem whose self-sorting depends on examples in it vs. image of Bongard Problem that will sort any Bongard Problem with its solution on either its left or right regardless of examples chosen.
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COMMENTS

All examples are Bongard Problems fitting left or right in BP793.


All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side.


Border cases are Bongard Problems that always self-sort one way given their particular visual format (e.g. fixed number of boxes), but self-sort a different way in another slightly different format.


Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit right here.


It is interesting to think about how this Bongard Problem sorts itself. The only self-consistent answer is that it fits right.

CROSSREFS

See BP793 "sorts self left vs. sorts self right".

See BP944 "sorts every BP on one side vs. doesn't".

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP922 BP923 BP924 BP925 BP926  *  BP928 BP929 BP930 BP931 BP932

KEYWORD

hard, solved, presentationinvariant, visualimagination

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_incarnation_dependent) | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1004 The whole satisfies the same rule as its parts vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

The "whole" is the entire panel including the bounding box. A "part" is some region either stylistically different or amply separated in space from everything else. Smaller parts-within-parts don't count as parts.


Rhetorical question: Where would the collection of left examples of this Bongard Problem be sorted by this Bongard Problem? (The question is whether these examples considered together satisfy the pattern that all the parts do, namely that the whole satisfies the pattern that all the parts do.)

See BP793 and BP999 for similar paradoxes.

CROSSREFS

See BP1006 for the version about numerical properties where each part is a cluster of dots; examples in that BP would be sorted the same way here that they are there.

See BP999 and BP1003 for versions where each object is itself a collection of objects, so that the focus is on rules specifically pertaining to collections (e.g. "all the objects are different").

See BP1002 for a Bongard Problem about only visual self-similarity instead of conceptual self-similarity.


The rule shown in each panel is "narrow" (see BP513left and BP514left).

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003  *  BP1005 BP1006 BP1007 BP1008 BP1009

KEYWORD

nice, abstract, anticomputer, creativeexamples, left-narrow, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP795 Image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own right versus image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own left.
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COMMENTS

"BONGARD HELL."

This the flipped version of BP793 but using only images of Bongard Problems with solution "__ half more black/less white than other half versus vice versa," that all use rotated, reflected, and inverted versions of the same examples.

CROSSREFS

See BP971 (left vs. right more black) and BP972 (top vs. bottom more black).

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP790 BP791 BP792 BP793 BP794  *  BP796 BP797 BP798 BP799 BP800

KEYWORD

hard, nice, abstract, dual, handed, leftright, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, presentationmatters, left-finite, right-finite, assumesfamiliarity, structure, experimental, funny

WORLD

bongard_hell [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP999 The collection of collections obeys the same rule as the individual collections vs. it does not.
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COMMENTS

Rhetorical question: Where would the collection of left examples of this Bongard Problem be sorted by this Bongard Problem? (The question is whether these examples considered together satisfy the pattern that all the parts do, namely that the whole satisfies the pattern that all the parts do.)

See BP793 and BP1004 for similar paradoxes.

CROSSREFS

See BP1005 for the version about only numerical properties; examples in that BP would be sorted the same way here that they are there.

See BP1003 for a similar idea. Rather than the collection of collections imitating the individual collections, BP1003 is about the total combined collection imitating the individual collections. A picture showing (for example) an odd number of even-numbered groups would be sorted differently by these two BPs.

Also see BP1004, which is likewise about the whole satisfying the same rule as its parts, but there the parts don't themselves have to be collections; there the parts are just plain individual objects. The panels in BP999 (this BP) should be sorted the same way in BP1004.

See BP1002, which is about only visual self-similarity instead of more general conceptual "self-similarity".

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997 BP998  *  BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003 BP1004

KEYWORD

nice, abstract, creativeexamples, left-narrow, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

[smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP987 Solution could appear in a Bongard Problem featuring an image of itself on either of its sides vs. solution can appear in a Bongard Problem featuring an image of itself on a certain side only.
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COMMENTS

All examples are Bongard Problems fitting left in BP954.


This is very close to BP927, specialized to Bongard Problems fitting left in BP954. The difference is that a Bongard Problem solution would fit left in BP927 but right here if it can sort images of it on both sides, but it is impossible to make an image of it fractally including itself on a certain side. An example is EX7997.


Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit right here.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP982 BP983 BP984 BP985 BP986  *  BP988 BP989 BP990 BP991 BP992

KEYWORD

abstract, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant, visualimagination

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP517 Meta Bongard Problems that sort themselves left vs. meta Bongard Problems that sort themselves right.
BP512
BP518
BP537
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP547
BP561
BP794
BP867
BP902
BP967
BP1000
BP1007
BP1074
BP1075
BP1113
BP1126
BP1150
BP1158
BP508
BP509
BP522
BP539
BP546
BP565
BP821
BP895
BP919
BP950
BP1162
BP1194
BP1242
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BP517
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BP1073
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "left-self" on the OEBP. Right-sorted BPs have the keyword "right-self."

These keywords are added to pages automatically.


Rhetorical questions: Where does this BP sort itself? Where does this BP sort the flipped version of itself?

CROSSREFS

See BP793 for the version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP.


See BP1075 for an example of a BP that is tagged "left-self" but would still be tagged "left-self" after the sides in the title were flipped. (This is unusual; a "left-self" BP after being flipped is typically "right-self" and vice versa.)

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP512 BP513 BP514 BP515 BP516  *  BP518 BP519 BP520 BP521 BP522

KEYWORD

nice, dual, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, side, metameta, feedback

WORLD

Multiple options:
linksbp [smaller | same | bigger],
bp_in_own_world [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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