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BP503 |
| "Nice" Bongard Problems vs. Bongard Problems the OEBP does not need more like. |
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BP504 |
| BP pages on the OEBP in need of more examples vs. BP pages with a list of examples that should not be altered. |
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COMMENTS
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "stub" on the OEBP.
Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "finished" on the OEBP.
Users are not able to add or remove examples from Problems tagged "finished." (This is unusual; most Bongard Problems on the OEBP can be expanded indefinitely by users.)
A "finished" Bongard Problem will always admit the alternative, convoluted solution "is [left example 1] OR is [left example 2] OR . . . OR is [last left example] vs. is [right example 1] OR is [right example 2] OR . . . OR is [last right example]". |
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Bongard's original Problems are tagged "finished."
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP499 BP500 BP501 BP502 BP503  *  BP505 BP506 BP507 BP508 BP509
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KEYWORD
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meta (see left/right), links, keyword, oebp, presentationmatters, left-finite, right-finite, instruction
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WORLD
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bppage [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP518 |
| Keywords on the OEBP vs. other Bongard Problem pages. |
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BP542 |
| BP Pages on the OEBP vs. anything else. |
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BP546 |
| BPs with sides commonly used as the entire set of examples for other BPs on the OEBP vs. other BP pages. |
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BP919 |
| BP Pages on the OEBP where users are advised to upload left examples and right examples in pairs vs. other BP Pages. |
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COMMENTS
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Left examples have the keyword "contributepairs" on the OEBP.
When this keyword is added to a Problem, OEBP users are advised to add a corresponding right example for every left example they add and vice versa.
It is common for Bongard Problems to present left examples on the left side and corresponding altered versions of those examples on the right side, tweaked only slightly, to highlight the difference and make the solution easier to see (see keyword help).
This is common in more abstract Bongard Problems that admit a wide range of examples, a variety of different styles or types (e.g. BP360). Showing two versions of the same thing, one on the left and one on the right, helps a person interpret what that thing is meant to be in the context of the Bongard Problem; whatever qualities vary between the two in the pair must be relevant.
If a person cannot sort an example according to the solution property without seeing its corresponding opposite example, the Bongard Problem is invalid (see https://www.oebp.org/invalid.php ). There is no one rule dividing the sides; the solution is not a method to determine whether an arbitrary example fits left or right. See also Bongard Problems with the keyword collective, which are similarly borderline-invalid.
A BP in which each left example corresponds to a right example and vice versa could be remade as a Bongard Problem in which the left examples are the pairs. For example BP360 would turn into "a pair consisting of the ordered version of something and the chaotic version of the same thing vs. a pair of things not satisfying this relationship." This process would turn a Bongard Problem that is invalid in the sense described above into a valid one.
(See keyword orderedpair.)
In some "contributepairs" Bongard Problems there really is a natural choice of left version for every right example and vice versa (see keyword dual); in others the choice is artificially imposed by the Bongard Problem creator.
When "contributepairs" Bongard Problems are laid out in the format with a grid of boxes on either side of a dividing line, the boxes may be arranged so as to highlight the correspondence: either
A B | A B
E F | E F
G H | G H
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A B | B A
E F | F E
G H | H G. |
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CROSSREFS
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP914 BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918  *  BP920 BP921 BP922 BP923 BP924
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KEYWORD
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meta (see left/right), links, keyword, oebp, right-self, instruction
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WORLD
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bppage [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left (correspondence_bp)
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP930 |
| BP Pages on the OEBP where users are advised to upload examples that help people (by hinting at the solution) vs. other BP Pages. |
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COMMENTS
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Left examples have the keyword "help" on the OEBP.
BPs should be marked "help" when the OEBP wants most examples (at least on one side) to be helpful (not when just one or two uploaded examples are helpful).
Helpfulness can be a spectrum; most Bongard Problems are helpful to some degree just by not using the most convoluted unintelligible examples possible.
Examples that are helpful to people are often not particularly helpful to computers.
Any helpful Bongard Problem has a harder, not helpful version. For example, BP384 (square number of dots versus non-square number of dots) would be much harder if all examples had hundreds of dots that weren't arranged recognizably. Instead, the dots in the examples are always arranged in shapes that make the square-ness or non-square-ness of the numbers easy to check without brute counting.
When all examples in a Bongard Problem are helpful, it may become unclear whether the helpfulness is part of the Bongard Problem's solution.
E.g.: Is the left-hand side of BP384 "square number of dots", or is it "square number of dots that are arranged in a helpful way so as to communicate the square-ness"?
See seemslike, where examples being helpful is an irremovable aspect of the Bongard Problem's solution. |
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CROSSREFS
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP925 BP926 BP927 BP928 BP929  *  BP931 BP932 BP933 BP934 BP935
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KEYWORD
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anticomputer, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, oebp, instruction
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WORLD
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bppage [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left (help_bp)
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP943 |
| Visual Bongard Problems whose solutions cannot be deduced when viewed in template form vs. not so. |
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Left examples are not required to be valid, as long as their solution doesn't apply in the traditional Bongard Problem format (6 panels vs. 6 panels, all one image). Additionally, they do not necessarily have to be rendered invalid by being viewed in the template format, but their solution does have to be altered. In some cases left examples are simply Problems whose solution is specific to the computer medium (BP941), however some examples have more profound solutions that the pen-and-paper template medium is too restrictive to represent (BP854). |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP568.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP938 BP939 BP940 BP941 BP942  *  BP944 BP945 BP946 BP947 BP948
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KEYWORD
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meta (see left/right), links, oebp, time
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WORLD
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bp [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Leo Crabbe
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