Search: -meta:BP895
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BP874 |
| Solution is a quantity comparison vs. solution does not involve quantity. |
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BP875 |
| Bongard Problem would sort all relevant examples vs. possible objects similar to those seen on both sides would have no clear sorting. |
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BP876 |
| Precise sorting of potential examples vs. not so. |
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COMMENTS
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Left Bongard Problems do not have to sort all relevant examples; if they would leave some border cases unsorted, it just has to be clear precisely which examples those would be.
Often a precise divide between values on a spectrum comes from intuitively "crossing a threshold." For example, there is an intuitive threshold between acute and obtuse angles. Two sides of a Bongard Problem on opposite ends of a threshold, coming close to it, are interpreted as having precise divide between sides, right up against that threshold. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP508 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP871 BP872 BP873 BP874 BP875  *  BP877 BP878 BP879 BP880 BP881
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KEYWORD
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hard, notso, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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bpimage_shapes [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left (bpimage_shapes_exact_sort)
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP877 |
| "Less than vs. greater than" (or vice versa) vs. "equal to vs. greater than" (or less than). |
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BP878 |
| Some object(s) fit precisely between the sides vs. there is no object fitting between the sides. |
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BP879 |
| Solution involves one absolute quantity vs. solution involves relative quantity (comparing two quantities). |
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BP880 |
| Non-overlapping sides (patterns are disjoint) vs. possible object(s) could fit in overlap of sides (patterns intersect). |
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BP881 |
| Right pattern is proper subset of left pattern vs. right pattern is not subset of left pattern. |
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COMMENTS
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You can try to interpret these images as Bongard Problems. This works just when the left side includes no objects that would fit in with the right side (as in EX7357 but not EX7361), the solution is "not [right pattern] vs. [right pattern]"; otherwise there is no apparent solution.
The solvable Bongard Problems sorted left here are right-narrow and not left-narrow, with the left side the negation of the right side (see notso). |
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CROSSREFS
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP876 BP877 BP878 BP879 BP880  *  BP882 BP883 BP884 BP885 BP886
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KEYWORD
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abstract, handed, leftright, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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bpimage_shapes_nosoln_allowed [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP895 |
| Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems based on other information than just their solutions (e.g. what format the Bongard Problem is, or what specific examples are shown in it) vs. Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on solution. |
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COMMENTS
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationmatters" on the OEBP.
Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationinvariant" on the OEBP.
Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another. (Meta Bongard Problems that sort images of Bongard Problems have the keyword miniproblems, whereas meta Bongard Problems that sort links to OEBP pages have the keyword links.)
For meta-pages on the OEBP that sort other pages on the OEBP (keyword links), "presentationmatters" means factoring in content like the BP number, the currently uploaded examples, the wording of the title, the description, and so on, rather than just the solution (that is, how the page would sort all potential examples). This is unusual.
"One solution vs. multiple solutions" (BP828) seems like a border-case. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 01 2020 |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP1010 (projectionmatters versus 3d) for a similar idea: there 2D representations are to 3D objects as here Bongard Problems are to Bongard Problem solutions.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893 BP894  *  BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900
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KEYWORD
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fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless, metameta, right-it, dependence, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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metabp [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Jago Collins
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BP927 |
| Image of Bongard Problem whose self-sorting depends on examples in it vs. image of Bongard Problem that will sort any Bongard Problem with its solution on either its left or right regardless of examples chosen. |
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COMMENTS
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All examples are Bongard Problems fitting left or right in BP793.
All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side.
Border cases are Bongard Problems that always self-sort one way given their particular visual format (e.g. fixed number of boxes), but self-sort a different way in another slightly different format.
Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit right here.
It is interesting to think about how this Bongard Problem sorts itself. The only self-consistent answer is that it fits right. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP793 "sorts self left vs. sorts self right".
See BP944 "sorts every BP on one side vs. doesn't".
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP922 BP923 BP924 BP925 BP926  *  BP928 BP929 BP930 BP931 BP932
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KEYWORD
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hard, solved, presentationinvariant, visualimagination
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WORLD
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boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_incarnation_dependent) | zoom in right
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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