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BP944 |
| Image of Bongard Problem that would sort ANY image of a valid Bongard Problem on one of its sides vs. image of Bongard Problem whose categorization of a BP image would depend on the solution or examples in it. |
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COMMENTS
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"Any" here means any image of a Bongard Problem in the relevant format, i.e. with white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side.
All examples shown in this Problem clearly sort themselves on the left or right.
A self-referential but maybe simpler solution is "would sort all examples in this whole Bongard Problem on one of its sides vs. not so." Users adding examples please try to maintain this: for any example you add to the right of this Bongard Problem, make sure it does not sort all the other examples in this Bongard Problem on just one of its sides. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 26 2020 |
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP939 BP940 BP941 BP942 BP943  *  BP945 BP946 BP947 BP948 BP949
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KEYWORD
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hard, challenge, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger] zoom in left | zoom in right
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AUTHOR
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Jago Collins
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BP954 |
| Solution could appear in a Bongard Problem that has itself as a panel vs. not so. |
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Loosely speaking, examples on the left are "Bongard Problems that can be self-similar". However, Bongard Problems with images of themselves deeply nested in boxes or rotated/flipped are not here considered "self-similar"; the Bongard Problem must use itself, as-is (allowing downward scaling and allowing infinite detail, ignoring pixelation--see keyword infinitedetail), as a panel.
Bongard Problems fitting left evidently come in three categories: 1) the Bongard Problem could only appear on its own left side, 2) the Bongard Problem could appear on its own right side, or 3) the Bongard Problem could appear on its own left or the right side. See BP987.
Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit left here.
All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side. (A more general version of this Bongard Problem might allow many formats of Bongard Problems, sorting an image left if a self-similar version is possible having the same solution and format. This more general version would no longer be tagged presentationinvariant, since sorting would not only depend on solution, but also format.)
It would hint at the solution (keyword help) to only include images of Bongard Problems that, as it stands, are already clearly categorized on one side by themselves. (That is, images of Bongard Problems that belong on one of the two sides of BP793.) It is tricky to come up with images that are categorized by themselves as it stands but that could NOT be recursively included within themselves. EX7967, EX7999, EX7995, and EX6574 are some examples. |
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See BP987 which narrows down the left-hand side of this BP further based on whether or not the BP could contain itself as a panel on both sides.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP949 BP950 BP951 BP952 BP953  *  BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958 BP959
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KEYWORD
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hard, abstract, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, infinitedetail, presentationinvariant, visualimagination
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CONCEPT
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fractal (info | search), recursion (info | search), self-reference (info | search)
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AUTHOR
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Leo Crabbe
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BP998 |
| X "X _" vs. all are "X _"; X Y. |
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Right:
All are "all but one are ___"; all but one are black.
All are "every other is ___"; every other is solid polygons.
All are "gradually becoming ___"; gradually becoming thickly outlined.
Left:
All but one are "all but one are ___".
Every other is "every other is ___".
Gradually becoming "gradually becoming ___".
Here is another way of putting it:
Call it "meta" when the whole imitates its parts, and call it "doubly-meta" when the whole imitates its parts with respect to the way it imitates its parts. Left are doubly-meta, while right are just meta.
Here is a more belabored way of putting it:
Call something like "is star-shaped" a "rule". An object can satisfy a rule.
Call something like "all but one are ___" a "rule-parametrized rule". A collection of objects can satisfy a rule-parametrized rule with respect to a particular rule.
On the right: every collection fits the same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules); furthermore the collection of collections fits that same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to some unrelated rule that collections can satisfy).
On the left: The collection of collections fits a rule-parametrized rule with respect to the rule of fitting that rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules).
Previously, an unintended solution to this BP was "not all groups share some noticeable property vs. all do." It is hard to come up with examples foiling this alternative solution because the rule-parametrized rule (see explanation above) usually has to do with not all objects in the collection fitting the rule. (See BP568, which is about BP ideas that are always overridden by a simpler solution.) The example EX10108 "all five are 'all five are ___'" was added, foiling the alternative solution. |
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The right side of this Problem is a subset of BP999left.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP993 BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997  *  BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003
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EXAMPLE
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"Odd one out with respect to what property is the odd one out" would not fit left: even though this example does seem doubly-meta, it is not doubly-meta in the right way. There is no odd one out with respect to the property of having an odd one out.
Similarly, consider "gradual transition with respect to what the gradual transition is between", etc. Instead of having the form "X 'X __' ", this is more like "X [the __ appearing in 'X __']". Examples like these two could make for a different Bongard Problem. |
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KEYWORD
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hard, unwordable, challenge, overriddensolution, infodense, contributepairs, funny, rules, miniworlds
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CONCEPT
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self-reference (info | search)
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WORLD
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zoom in right
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1011 |
| Polygon can be inscribed in a circle vs. not so. |
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BP1038 |
| Reciprocals of right numbers summed in infinite series converge vs. diverge. |
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1033 BP1034 BP1035 BP1036 BP1037  *  BP1039 BP1040 BP1041 BP1042 BP1043
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KEYWORD
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hard, precise, allsorted, handed, leftright, math, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, assumesfamiliarity, structure, preciseworld, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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boxes_dots_bpimage_clear_set_of_numbers [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1040 |
| Left is union of (non-constant) arithmetic progressions vs. not so. |
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1035 BP1036 BP1037 BP1038 BP1039  *  BP1041 BP1042 BP1043 BP1044 BP1045
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KEYWORD
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hard, precise, allsorted, convoluted, notso, handed, leftright, math, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, assumesfamiliarity, structure, preciseworld, presentationinvariant
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WORLD
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boxes_dots_bpimage_clear_set_of_numbers [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1120 |
| No same-sized copies of self overlap vs. distinct same-sized copies overlap. |
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BP1200 |
| The whole rectangle can be filled in by successively replacing pairs of adjacent rectangles with one vs. not so. |
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COMMENTS
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Another wording: "can be repeatedly broken along 'fault lines' to yield individual pieces vs not." |
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REFERENCE
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Robert Dawson, A forbidden suborder characterization of binarily composable diagrams in double categories, Theory and Applications of Categories, Vol. 1, No. 7, p. 146-145, 1995. |
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CROSSREFS
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All of the examples fitting left here would fit right in BP1199 except for (1) a single rectangle, (2) two rectangles stacked vertically, or (3) two rectangles side by side horizontally.
All of the examples fitting right in in BP1097 (re-styled) would fit right here (besides a single solid block, but that isn't shown there).
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1195 BP1196 BP1197 BP1198 BP1199  *  BP1201 BP1202 BP1203 BP1204 BP1205
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KEYWORD
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hard, precise, challenge, proofsrequired, inductivedefinition, left-listable, right-listable
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1245 |
| When two players alternate coloring regions, either can force connection from top edge to bottom edge vs. either can force connection from left edge to right edge. |
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