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BP793 Image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own left versus image of a Bongard Problem that would sort itself on its own right.
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COMMENTS

Rhetorical question: Where does this Bongard Problem sort an image of itself?

See BP999 and BP1004 for similar paradoxes.


Bongard Problems fitting left here evidently come in three categories: 1) would sort all Bongard Problems with the same solution left, 2) would sort all Bongard Problems with the same solution right, or 3) would sort some Bongard Problems with the same solution left and some right. See BP927.

CROSSREFS

See BP517 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).


See BP954, which is about Bongard Problems not only sorting themselves, but moreover fractally appearing in themselves as panels.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP788 BP789 BP790 BP791 BP792  *  BP794 BP795 BP796 BP797 BP798

KEYWORD

hard, nice, abstract, dual, handed, leftright, solved, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, experimental

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_left) | zoom in right (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_right)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP927 Image of Bongard Problem whose self-sorting depends on examples in it vs. image of Bongard Problem that will sort any Bongard Problem with its solution on either its left or right regardless of examples chosen.
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COMMENTS

All examples are Bongard Problems fitting left or right in BP793.


All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side.


Border cases are Bongard Problems that always self-sort one way given their particular visual format (e.g. fixed number of boxes), but self-sort a different way in another slightly different format.


Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit right here.


It is interesting to think about how this Bongard Problem sorts itself. The only self-consistent answer is that it fits right.

CROSSREFS

See BP793 "sorts self left vs. sorts self right".

See BP944 "sorts every BP on one side vs. doesn't".

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP922 BP923 BP924 BP925 BP926  *  BP928 BP929 BP930 BP931 BP932

KEYWORD

hard, solved, presentationinvariant, visualimagination

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (boxes_bpimage_sorts_self_incarnation_dependent) | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP944 Image of Bongard Problem that would sort ANY image of a valid Bongard Problem on one of its sides vs. image of Bongard Problem whose categorization of a BP image would depend on the solution or examples in it.
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COMMENTS

"Any" here means any image of a Bongard Problem in the relevant format, i.e. with white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side.


All examples shown in this Problem clearly sort themselves on the left or right.


A self-referential but maybe simpler solution is "would sort all examples in this whole Bongard Problem on one of its sides vs. not so." Users adding examples please try to maintain this: for any example you add to the right of this Bongard Problem, make sure it does not sort all the other examples in this Bongard Problem on just one of its sides. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 26 2020

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP939 BP940 BP941 BP942 BP943  *  BP945 BP946 BP947 BP948 BP949

KEYWORD

hard, challenge, presentationinvariant

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_sorts_self [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP952 Images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems vs. images of Bongard Problems not including images of Bongard Problems including images of Bongard Problems.
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CROSSREFS

See BP547 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).

Any left example in this BP will be a left example for BP1084.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP947 BP948 BP949 BP950 BP951  *  BP953 BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, funny, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT recursion (info | search)

WORLD

[smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP953 Image of this Bongard Problem vs. empty image.
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COMMENTS

"Image of Bongard Problem with solution X vs. empty image" where X is the phrase in quotes.

CROSSREFS

See BP959, BP902.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP948 BP949 BP950 BP951 BP952  *  BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958

KEYWORD

nice, precise, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, overriddensolution, right-full, right-null, perfect, infinitedetail, experimental, funny

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in left (bp953_image) | zoom in right (blank_image)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP954 Solution could appear in a Bongard Problem that has itself as a panel vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

Loosely speaking, examples on the left are "Bongard Problems that can be self-similar". However, Bongard Problems with images of themselves deeply nested in boxes or rotated/flipped are not here considered "self-similar"; the Bongard Problem must use itself, as-is (allowing downward scaling and allowing infinite detail, ignoring pixelation--see keyword infinitedetail), as a panel.


Bongard Problems fitting left evidently come in three categories: 1) the Bongard Problem could only appear on its own left side, 2) the Bongard Problem could appear on its own right side, or 3) the Bongard Problem could appear on its own left or the right side. See BP987.


Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit left here.


All examples here are in the conventional format, i.e. white background, black vertical dividing line, and examples in boxes on either side. (A more general version of this Bongard Problem might allow many formats of Bongard Problems, sorting an image left if a self-similar version is possible having the same solution and format. This more general version would no longer be tagged presentationinvariant, since sorting would not only depend on solution, but also format.)


It would hint at the solution (keyword help) to only include images of Bongard Problems that, as it stands, are already clearly categorized on one side by themselves. (That is, images of Bongard Problems that belong on one of the two sides of BP793.) It is tricky to come up with images that are categorized by themselves as it stands but that could NOT be recursively included within themselves. EX7967, EX7999, EX7995, and EX6574 are some examples.

CROSSREFS

See BP987 which narrows down the left-hand side of this BP further based on whether or not the BP could contain itself as a panel on both sides.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP949 BP950 BP951 BP952 BP953  *  BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958 BP959

KEYWORD

hard, abstract, challenge, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, infinitedetail, presentationinvariant, visualimagination

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP961 Includes itself on the left vs. includes itself on the right.
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COMMENTS

Some examples are Bongard Problems with this solution.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP956 BP957 BP958 BP959 BP960  *  BP962 BP963 BP964 BP965 BP966

KEYWORD

nice, precise, dual, handed, leftright, perfect, infinitedetail, both, neither, preciseworld

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP987 Solution could appear in a Bongard Problem featuring an image of itself on either of its sides vs. solution can appear in a Bongard Problem featuring an image of itself on a certain side only.
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COMMENTS

All examples are Bongard Problems fitting left in BP954.


This is very close to BP927, specialized to Bongard Problems fitting left in BP954. The difference is that a Bongard Problem solution would fit left in BP927 but right here if it can sort images of it on both sides, but it is impossible to make an image of it fractally including itself on a certain side. An example is EX7997.


Meta Bongard Problems appearing in BP793 that are presentationinvariant necessarily fit right here.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP982 BP983 BP984 BP985 BP986  *  BP988 BP989 BP990 BP991 BP992

KEYWORD

abstract, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, assumesfamiliarity, structure, presentationinvariant, visualimagination

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP1084 Images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems vs. images of Bongard Problems not including images of Bongard Problems.
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CROSSREFS

See BP537 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1079 BP1080 BP1081 BP1082 BP1083  *  BP1085 BP1086 BP1087 BP1088 BP1089

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, perfect, infinitedetail, presentationinvariant

WORLD

boxes_bpimage [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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