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BP1127 on 2021-05-05 15:51:17 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-noticed" on the OEBP.

Another way of phrasing "right-noticed" that there is no (obvious) general method to determine a right-fitting example fits right.

There is a similar idea in computability theory: a "non recursively enumerable" property is one that cannot be checked in general by a computer algorithm.

Here, "noticeable" is supposed to mean something less formal. For example, it is easy for a human being to check when a simple shape is convex or concave, so BP4 is not labelled "right-noticed". However, it is not as if we use an algorithm to do this, like a computer. (It is not even clear what sort of algorithm we would be looking for, since it is it is ambiguous both what class of shapes the Bongard Problem sorts and how that would be encoded into a computer program's input. There are usually many options and ambiguities like this whenever one tries to formalize the content of a Bongard Problem.)

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 15:06:05 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-noticed" on the OEBP.

Another way of phrasing "right-noticed" that there is no (obvious) general method to determine a right-fitting example fits right.

There is a similar idea in computability theory: a "non recursively enumerable" property is one that cannot be checked in general by a computer algorithm.

Here, "noticeable" is supposed to mean be less formal. For example, it is easy for a human being to check when a simple shape is convex or concave, so BP4 is not labelled "right-noticed". However, it is not as if we use an algorithm to do this, like a computer. (It is not even clear what sort of algorithm we would be looking for, since it is it is ambiguous both what class of shapes the Bongard Problem sorts and how that would be encoded into a computer program's input. There are usually many options and ambiguities like this whenever one tries to formalize the content of a Bongard Problem.)

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 15:05:02 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
NAME

Bongard Problems such that a person (who knows the solution) might be given a new unsorted example and have no way of finding out how it should be sorted--however, there is the potential for them to notice something new that convinces them it fits right vs. other Bongard Problems.

COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-noticed" on the OEBP.

Another way of phrasing "right-noticed" that there is no (obvious) general method to determine a right-fitting example fits right.

There is a similar idea in computability theory: a "non recursively enumerable" property is one that cannot be checked in general by a computer algorithm. But here "noticeable" is meant to be less formal.

It is easy for a human being to check when a simple shape is convex or concave, so BP4 is not labelled "right-noticed". However, it is not as if we use an algorithm to do this, like a computer. (It is not even clear what sort of algorithm we would be looking for, since it is it is ambiguous both what class of shapes the Bongard Problem sorts and how that would be encoded into a computer program's input. There are usually many options and ambiguities like this whenever one tries to formalize the content of a Bongard Problem.)

CROSSREFS

See "left-noticed" (left-BP1126).

Noticed Bongard Problems are also "hardsort" (right-BP864).

EXAMPLE

We say "tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane" (BP335) is right-noticed, since not only is it difficult to determine some shapes go right (see keyword "hardsort" right-BP864), but there does not even exist a method of checking; one has to notice (by ingenuity) a proof.

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 11:04:06 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP1127 on 2021-05-05 11:03:41 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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BP1127 on 2021-05-05 10:55:21 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

Another way to phrase "right-undecidable" is that there is potential for someone to have the unsure hunch an example should be sorted left, but noticing something could convince them otherwise.

This is meant to be an informal label.

It is easy for a human being to check when a simple shape is convex or concave, so BP4 is not labelled "right-undecidable", but it is not as if we use an algorithm to do this, like a computer. (It is not even clear what sort of algorithm we would be looking for, since it is it is ambiguous both what class of shapes the Bongard Problem sorts and how that would be encoded into a computer program's input. There are usually many options and ambiguities like this whenever one tries to formalize the content of a Bongard Problem.)

On the other hand we say "tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane" (BP335) is right-undecidable, since not only is it difficult to determine some shapes go right (see keyword "hardsort" right-BP864), but there does not even exist a method of checking; one has to notice (by ingenuity) a proof.

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 10:33:36 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

This is meant to be an informal label.

It is easy for a human being to check when a simple shape is convex or concave, so BP4 is not labelled "right-undecidable", but it is not as if we use an algorithm to do this, like a computer. (It is not even clear what sort of algorithm we would be looking for, since it is it is ambiguous both what class of shapes the Bongard Problem sorts and how that would be encoded into a computer program's input. There are usually many options and ambiguities like this whenever one tries to formalize the content of a Bongard Problem.)

On the other hand we say "tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane" (BP335) is right-undecidable, since not only is it difficult to determine some shapes go right (see keyword "hardsort" right-BP864), but there does not even exist a method of checking; one has to notice (by ingenuity) a proof.

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 08:45:25 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
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Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

This is meant to be an informal label. We say BP335 ("tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane") is right-undecidable, since it is, in any case, very difficult to determine some shapes go right. While no general algorithm is known for determining whether or not a tile tessellates the plane, we are not aware of a proof that such an algorithm is impossible.

A more strict (less "fuzzy" right-BP508) definition of "right-undecidable" would require us to be certain there exists no foolproof sorting method, rather than just that the average solver won't come up with one. See keyword "weakhardsort" (left-BP1125) for more on this topic.

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 08:44:13 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

This is meant to be an informal label. We say BP335 ("tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane") is right-undecidable, since it is, in any case, very difficult to determine some shapes go right. While no general algorithm is known for determining whether or not a tile tessellates the plane, we are not aware of a proof that such an algorithm is impossible.

A more strict (less "fuzzy" right-BP508) definition of "left-undecidable" would require us to be certain there exists no foolproof sorting method, rather than just that the average solver won't come up with one. See keyword "weakhardsort" (left-BP1125) for more on this topic.

BP1127 on 2021-05-05 08:43:58 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

This is mean to be an informal label. We say BP335 ("tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane") is right-undecidable, since it is, in any case, very difficult to determine some shapes go right. While no general algorithm is known for determining whether or not a tile tessellates the plane, we are not aware of a proof that such an algorithm is impossible.

A more strict (less "fuzzy" right-BP508) definition of "left-undecidable" would require us to be certain there exists no foolproof sorting method, rather than just that the average solver won't come up with one. See keyword "weakhardsort" (left-BP1125) for more on this topic.

BP1127 on 2021-05-04 18:07:36 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

No general algorithm is known for determining whether or not a tile tessellates the plane. However, we are not aware of a proof that such an algorithm is impossible. Even so, we say BP335 ("tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane") is right-undecidable, since it is, in any case, very difficult to determine some shapes go right.

A more strict (less "fuzzy" right-BP508) definition of "left-undecidable" would require us to be certain there exists no foolproof sorting method, rather than just that the average solver won't come up with one. See keyword "weakhardsort" (left-BP1125) for more on this topic.

BP1127 on 2021-05-04 17:46:16 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See "left-undecidable" (left-BP1126).

Undecidable Bongard Problems are also "hardsort" (right-BP864).

BP1127 on 2021-05-04 17:43:13 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-undecidable" on the OEBP.

No general algorithm is known for determining whether or not a tile tessellates the plane. However, we are not aware of a proof that such an algorithm is impossible. Even so, we say BP335 ("tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane") is right-undecidable, since it is, in any case, very difficult to determine some shapes go right.

A more strict (less "fuzzy" right-BP508) definition of "left-undecidable" might require us to be certain there exists no foolproof sorting method, rather than just that the average solver won't come up with one. See keyword "weakhardsort" (left-BP1125) for more on this topic.

CROSSREFS

See "left-undecidable" (left-BP1126).

Uncertain Bongard Problems are also "hardsort" (right-BP864).

BP1127 on 2021-05-03 16:12:00 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See "left-uncertain" (left-BP1126).

Uncertain Bongard Problems are also "hardsort" (right-BP864).

BP1127 on 2021-05-03 16:04:09 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
CROSSREFS

See "left-uncertain" (left-BP1126).

BP1127 on 2021-05-03 16:02:03 by Aaron David Fairbanks                approved
NAME

Bongard Problems such that there is no (obvious) general method to determine a right-fitting example fits right vs. other Bongard Problems.

COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-uncertain" on the OEBP.

(Right-sorted Bongard Problems might be called "semi-decidable" for the property of being sorted right, in computability lingo, but this is less formal.)

No general algorithm is known for determining whether or not a tile tessellates the plane. However, we are not aware of a proof that such an algorithm is impossible. Even so, we say BP335 ("tessellates the plane vs. does not tessellate the plane") is right-uncertain, since it is, in any case, very difficult to determine some shapes go right.

A more strict (less "fuzzy" right-BP508) definition of "left-uncertain" might require us to be certain there exists no foolproof sorting method, rather than just that the average solver won't come up with one. See keyword "weakhardsort" (left-BP1125) for more on this topic.

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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