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BP508 Bongard Problems with precise definitions vs. Bongard Problems with vague definitions.
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BP67
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BP103
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BP292
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BP348
BP367
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BP384
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BP389
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BP523
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BP847
BP865
BP894
BP895
BP939
BP1002
BP1111
BP1158
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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "precise" on the OEBP.

Bongard Problems sorted right have the keyword "fuzzy" on the OEBP.


In an precise Bongard Problem, any relevant example is either clearly sorted left, clearly sorted right, or clearly not sorted.

(All relevant examples clearly sorted either left or right is the keyword allsorted.)


How can it be decided whether or not a rule is precise? How can it be decided whether or not a rule classifies all "examples that are relevant"? There needs to be another rule to determine which examples the original rule intends to sort. Bongard Problems by design communicate ideas without fixing that context ahead of time. The label "precise" can only mean a Bongard Problem's rule seems precise to people who see it. (This "precise vs. fuzzy" Bongard Problem is fuzzy.)


In an precise "less than ___ vs. greater than ___" Bongard Problem (keyword spectrum), the division between the sides is usually an apparent threshold. For example, there is an intuitive threshold between acute and obtuse angles (see e.g. BP292).


As a rule of thumb, do not consider imperfections of hand drawn images (keyword ignoreimperfections) when deciding whether a Bongard Problem is precise or fuzzy. Just because one can draw a square badly does not mean "triangle vs. quadrilateral" (BP6) should be labelled fuzzy; similar vagueness arises in all hand-drawn Bongard Problems. (For Bongard Problems in which fine subtleties of drawings, including small imperfections, are meant to be considered, use the keyword perfect.)


Sometimes the way a Bongard Problem would sort certain examples is an unsolved problem in mathematics. (See e.g. BP820.) There is a precise criterion that has been used to verify each sorted example fits where it fits (some kind of mathematical proof); however, where some examples fit is still unknown. Whether or not such a Bongard Problem should be labelled "precise" might be debated.

(Technical note: some properties are known to be undecidable, and sometimes the decidability itself is unknown. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem .)

(See the keyword proofsrequired.)

One way to resolve this ambiguity is to define "precise" as meaning that once people decide where an example belongs for a reason, they will all agree about it.


Sometimes the class of all examples in a Bongard Problem is imprecise, but, despite that, the rule sorting those examples is precise. Say, for some potential new example, it is unclear whether it should be included in the Bongard Problem at all, but, if it were included, it would be clear where it should be sorted (or that it should be left unsorted). A Bongard Problem like this can still be tagged "precise".

(If all examples are clearly sorted except for some example for which it is unclear whether it belongs to the class of relevant examples, the situation becomes ambiguous.)

On the other hand, sometimes the class of all examples is very clear, with an obvious boundary. (Keyword preciseworld.)


There is a subtle distinction to draw between Bongard Problems that are precise to the people making them and Bongard Problems that are precise to the people solving them. A Bongard Problem (particularly a non-allsorted one) might be labeled "precise" on the OEBP because the description and the listed ambiguous examples explicitly forbid sorting certain border cases; however, someone looking at the Bongard Problem without access to the OEBP page containing the definition would not be aware of this. It may or may not be obvious that certain examples were intentionally left out of the Bongard Problem. A larger collection of examples may make it more clear that a particularly blatant potential border case was left out intentionally.

CROSSREFS

See BP876 for the version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP.

See both and neither for specific ways an example can be classified as unsorted in an "precise" Bongard Problem.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP503 BP504 BP505 BP506 BP507  *  BP509 BP510 BP511 BP512 BP513

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP520 Bongard Problems whose sorting of examples depends on subjective opinion vs. not so.
BP237
BP501
BP503
BP506
BP550
BP801
BP812
BP864
BP865
BP869
BP882
BP894
BP939
BP1000
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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "subjective" on the OEBP.


Subjective Bongard Problems are fuzzy.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP515 BP516 BP517 BP518 BP519  *  BP521 BP522 BP523 BP524 BP525

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP522 Invalid Bongard Problems vs. valid Bongard Problems.
BP237
BP301
BP538
BP545
BP812
BP882
BP902
BP939
BP941
BP942
BP1056
BP1141
BP1174
BP1263
BP1
BP522
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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems that break the rules or spirit of Bongard Problems but are interesting enough to keep in the database.

CROSSREFS

See BP829 and BP968 (flipped) for versions with pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP517 BP518 BP519 BP520 BP521  *  BP523 BP524 BP525 BP526 BP527

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP550 Experimental Bongard Problems vs. traditional-style Bongard Problems.
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BP359
BP538
BP544
BP545
BP548
BP555
BP570
BP793
BP795
BP797
BP801
BP812
BP813
BP844
BP854
BP859
BP862
BP868
BP902
BP911
BP915
BP920
BP939
BP941
BP942
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BP955
BP957
BP959
BP1008
BP1056
BP1073

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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "experimental" on the OEBP.

Right examples have the keyword "traditional" on the OEBP.


Experimental BPs push the boundaries of what makes Bongard Problems Bongard Problems.


Traditional BPs show some simple property of black and white pictures. The OEBP is a place with many wild and absurd Bongard Problems, so it is useful to have an easy way to just find the regular old Bongard Problems.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP545 BP546 BP547 BP548 BP549  *  BP551 BP552 BP553 BP554 BP555

KEYWORD

subjective, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-it

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP565 Bongard Problems that are hard for humans to solve but easier for computers to solve vs. Bongard Problems that are hard for computers to solve but easier for humans to solve.
BP112
BP558
BP941
BP1008
BP1055
BP100
BP170
BP190
BP193
BP197
BP199
BP235
BP237
BP252
BP331
BP349
BP373
BP382
BP524
BP551
BP565
BP812
BP839
BP844
BP862
BP869
BP882
BP930
BP939
BP1002
BP1004
BP1092
BP1110
BP1260
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "antihuman" on the OEBP.

Right examples have the keyword "anticomputer" on the OEBP.


Easy abstract Bongard Problems are typically anticomputer Bongard Problems.

CROSSREFS

See keyword help for Bongard Problems that can be made easier for humans to solve by the selection of helpful examples.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP560 BP561 BP562 BP563 BP564  *  BP566 BP567 BP568 BP569 BP570

KEYWORD

spectrum, anticomputer, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, viceversa

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP659 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: length of lines or curves vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
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BP103
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BP939
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP654 BP655 BP656 BP657 BP658  *  BP660 BP661 BP662 BP663 BP664

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept, primitive

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "length_line_or_curve"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP717 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: visual illusion vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP237
BP939
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP712 BP713 BP714 BP715 BP716  *  BP718 BP719 BP720 BP721 BP722

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "visual_illusion"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP919 BP Pages on the OEBP where users are advised to upload left examples and right examples in pairs vs. other BP Pages.
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BP332
BP349
BP360
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BP389
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BP393
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BP894
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BP939
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BP1183
BP919
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "contributepairs" on the OEBP.


When this keyword is added to a Problem, OEBP users are advised to add a corresponding right example for every left example they add and vice versa.


It is common for Bongard Problems to present left examples on the left side and corresponding altered versions of those examples on the right side, tweaked only slightly, to highlight the difference and make the solution easier to see (see keyword help).


This is common in more abstract Bongard Problems that admit a wide range of examples, a variety of different styles or types (e.g. BP360). Showing two versions of the same thing, one on the left and one on the right, helps a person interpret what that thing is meant to be in the context of the Bongard Problem; whatever qualities vary between the two in the pair must be relevant.


If a person cannot sort an example according to the solution property without seeing its corresponding opposite example, the Bongard Problem is invalid (see https://www.oebp.org/invalid.php ). There is no one rule dividing the sides; the solution is not a method to determine whether an arbitrary example fits left or right. See also Bongard Problems with the keyword collective, which are similarly borderline-invalid.


A BP in which each left example corresponds to a right example and vice versa could be remade as a Bongard Problem in which the left examples are the pairs. For example BP360 would turn into "a pair consisting of the ordered version of something and the chaotic version of the same thing vs. a pair of things not satisfying this relationship." This process would turn a Bongard Problem that is invalid in the sense described above into a valid one.

(See keyword orderedpair.)


In some "contributepairs" Bongard Problems there really is a natural choice of left version for every right example and vice versa (see keyword dual); in others the choice is artificially imposed by the Bongard Problem creator.


When "contributepairs" Bongard Problems are laid out in the format with a grid of boxes on either side of a dividing line, the boxes may be arranged so as to highlight the correspondence: either


A B | A B

E F | E F

G H | G H


or


A B | B A

E F | F E

G H | H G.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP914 BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918  *  BP920 BP921 BP922 BP923 BP924

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, oebp, right-self, instruction

WORLD

bppage [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left (correspondence_bp)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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