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BP998 X "X _" vs. all are "X _"; X Y.
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Right:

All are "all but one are ___"; all but one are black.

All are "every other is ___"; every other is solid polygons.

All are "gradually becoming ___"; gradually becoming thickly outlined.

Left:

All but one are "all but one are ___".

Every other is "every other is ___".

Gradually becoming "gradually becoming ___".


Here is another way of putting it:

Call it "meta" when the whole imitates its parts, and call it "doubly-meta" when the whole imitates its parts with respect to the way it imitates its parts. Left are doubly-meta, while right are just meta.


Here is a more belabored way of putting it:

Call something like "is star-shaped" a "rule". An object can satisfy a rule.

Call something like "all but one are ___" a "rule-parametrized rule". A collection of objects can satisfy a rule-parametrized rule with respect to a particular rule.

On the right: every collection fits the same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules); furthermore the collection of collections fits that same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to some unrelated rule that collections can satisfy).

On the left: The collection of collections fits a rule-parametrized rule with respect to the rule of fitting that rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules).


Previously, an unintended solution to this BP was "not all groups share some noticeable property vs. all do." It is hard to come up with examples foiling this alternative solution because the rule-parametrized rule (see explanation above) usually has to do with not all objects in the collection fitting the rule. (See BP568, which is about BP ideas that are always overridden by a simpler solution.) The example EX10108 "all five are 'all five are ___'" was added, foiling the alternative solution.

CROSSREFS

The right side of this Problem is a subset of BP999left.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP993 BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997  *  BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003

EXAMPLE

"Odd one out with respect to what property is the odd one out" would not fit left: even though this example does seem doubly-meta, it is not doubly-meta in the right way. There is no odd one out with respect to the property of having an odd one out.

Similarly, consider "gradual transition with respect to what the gradual transition is between", etc. Instead of having the form "X 'X __' ", this is more like "X [the __ appearing in 'X __']". Examples like these two could make for a different Bongard Problem.

KEYWORD

hard, unwordable, challenge, overriddensolution, infodense, contributepairs, funny, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1097 "Fault line" present vs. not
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1092 BP1093 BP1094 BP1095 BP1096  *  BP1098 BP1099 BP1100 BP1101 BP1102

KEYWORD

nice, precise, notso, left-finite, right-finite, preciseworld

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP1153 Valid multi-sided Bongard Problems vs. invalid multi-sided Bongard Problems.
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COMMENTS

This is a generalisation of Bongard Problems that allows them to have any number of sides. There is a sense in which this problem is about valid vs. invalid ways of partitioning a set of examples into equivalence classes.

CROSSREFS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_class

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1148 BP1149 BP1150 BP1151 BP1152  *  BP1154 BP1155 BP1156 BP1157 BP1158

KEYWORD

abstract, teach, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, infodense, structure, rules, miniworlds

WORLD

zoom in left

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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