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BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
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BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP902 This Bongard Problem vs. anything else.
BP902
BP1

becious

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COMMENTS

Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally.

CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP959.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp902)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP924 Polygons where all sides are different lengths vs. Polygons where not all sides are different lengths.
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COMMENTS

All examples in this Problem are outlines of convex polygons.

This is a generalisation of scalene triangles to any polygon.

CROSSREFS

The left side implies the right side of BP329 (regular vs. irregular polygons), but the converse is not true.

The left side of BP329 implies the right side, but the converse is not true.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP919 BP920 BP921 BP922 BP923  *  BP925 BP926 BP927 BP928 BP929

EXAMPLE

Any scalene triangle will fit on the left, because no two sides are equal.

However, any regular polygon will not fit on the left, because all of its sides are equal.

A random convex polygon will "almost surely" fit on the left.

KEYWORD

nice, stretch, right-narrow, traditional

CONCEPT all (info | search)

WORLD

polygon_outline [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP1022 Nesting vs. no nesting.
(edit; present; nest [left/right]; search; history)
CROSSREFS

See BP1061 for a version of this with only squares and which allows infinite nesting.

See BP71 for a Problem about counting levels of nesting.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1017 BP1018 BP1019 BP1020 BP1021  *  BP1023 BP1024 BP1025 BP1026 BP1027

KEYWORD

easy, nice, precise, allsorted, traditional

CONCEPT recursion_number (info | search),
separated_regions (info | search),
inside (info | search),
recursion (info | search)

WORLD

varied_thickness_curves_drawing [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1232 Curves with at least one crossing vs. curves do not cross.
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COMMENTS

Based on BP30, "curve with exactly one self-crossing vs. curve without a self-crossing". This is just a slightly more general version.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1227 BP1228 BP1229 BP1230 BP1231  *  BP1233 BP1234 BP1235 BP1236 BP1237

EXAMPLE

EX6881

KEYWORD

stub, notso, traditional

CONCEPT x-crossing (info | search),
existence (info | search)

WORLD

crosscurves [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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