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BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
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BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP868 Images of impossible Bongard Problems vs. images of possible Bongard Problems.
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COMMENTS

This fits on its own left side.

CROSSREFS

See BP821 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP (instead of images of Bongard Problems), of which this fits on the left side.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866 BP867  *  BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872 BP873

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, example, left-finite, left-full, impossible, experimental, funny, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT impossible (info | search)

WORLD

bpimage [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP902 This Bongard Problem vs. anything else.
BP902
BP1

becious

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COMMENTS

Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally.

CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP959.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp902)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP920 Is exact specific image (EX6205) vs. is not.
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COMMENTS

A spot-the-difference exercise.


Arguably invalid (solution not simple).

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918 BP919  *  BP921 BP922 BP923 BP924 BP925

KEYWORD

less, precise, convoluted, arbitrary, stretch, unstable, left-finite, left-full, perfect, pixelperfect, experimental, funny

CONCEPT imperfection_small (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

bmp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP941 JPEG image vs. PNG image.
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COMMENTS

Evidently this solution is stretching the idea of what makes images "different". Each corresponding pair of panels would be parsed as identical in any other case. It is worth noting that if you view this Problem on a template, the solution no longer applies at all.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP936 BP937 BP938 BP939 BP940  *  BP942 BP943 BP944 BP945 BP946

KEYWORD

less, precise, dual, antihuman, contributepairs, invalid, experimental, funny

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP952 Images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems vs. images of Bongard Problems not including images of Bongard Problems including images of Bongard Problems.
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CROSSREFS

See BP547 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP instead of images of Bongard Problems (miniproblems).

Any left example in this BP will be a left example for BP1084.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP947 BP948 BP949 BP950 BP951  *  BP953 BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, funny, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT recursion (info | search)

WORLD

[smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP953 Image of this Bongard Problem vs. empty image.
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COMMENTS

"Image of Bongard Problem with solution X vs. empty image" where X is the phrase in quotes.

CROSSREFS

See BP959, BP902.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP948 BP949 BP950 BP951 BP952  *  BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958

KEYWORD

nice, precise, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, overriddensolution, right-full, right-null, perfect, infinitedetail, experimental, funny

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in left (bp953_image) | zoom in right (blank_image)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP959 This image of this Bongard Problem vs. empty image.
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CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP902.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958  *  BP960 BP961 BP962 BP963 BP964

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), miniproblems, left-finite, right-finite, left-full, right-full, right-null, perfect, infinitedetail, finished, experimental, funny

CONCEPT fractal (info | search),
recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in left | zoom in right (blank_image)

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks, Leo Crabbe

BP998 X "X _" vs. all are "X _"; X Y.
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COMMENTS

Right:

All are "all but one are ___"; all but one are black.

All are "every other is ___"; every other is solid polygons.

All are "gradually becoming ___"; gradually becoming thickly outlined.

Left:

All but one are "all but one are ___".

Every other is "every other is ___".

Gradually becoming "gradually becoming ___".


Here is another way of putting it:

Call it "meta" when the whole imitates its parts, and call it "doubly-meta" when the whole imitates its parts with respect to the way it imitates its parts. Left are doubly-meta, while right are just meta.


Here is a more belabored way of putting it:

Call something like "is star-shaped" a "rule". An object can satisfy a rule.

Call something like "all but one are ___" a "rule-parametrized rule". A collection of objects can satisfy a rule-parametrized rule with respect to a particular rule.

On the right: every collection fits the same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules); furthermore the collection of collections fits that same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to some unrelated rule that collections can satisfy).

On the left: The collection of collections fits a rule-parametrized rule with respect to the rule of fitting that rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules).


Previously, an unintended solution to this BP was "not all groups share some noticeable property vs. all do." It is hard to come up with examples foiling this alternative solution because the rule-parametrized rule (see explanation above) usually has to do with not all objects in the collection fitting the rule. (See BP568, which is about BP ideas that are always overridden by a simpler solution.) The example EX10108 "all five are 'all five are ___'" was added, foiling the alternative solution.

CROSSREFS

The right side of this Problem is a subset of BP999left.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP993 BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997  *  BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003

EXAMPLE

"Odd one out with respect to what property is the odd one out" would not fit left: even though this example does seem doubly-meta, it is not doubly-meta in the right way. There is no odd one out with respect to the property of having an odd one out.

Similarly, consider "gradual transition with respect to what the gradual transition is between", etc. Instead of having the form "X 'X __' ", this is more like "X [the __ appearing in 'X __']". Examples like these two could make for a different Bongard Problem.

KEYWORD

hard, unwordable, challenge, overriddensolution, infodense, contributepairs, funny, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1000 Amusing Bongard Problems vs. other Bongard Problems
BP518
BP538
BP544
BP545
BP570
BP795
BP812
BP844
BP854
BP859
BP867
BP868
BP902
BP920
BP941
BP952
BP953
BP959
BP998
BP1000
BP1001
BP1007
BP1008
BP1056
BP1073
BP1141
BP1163
BP1193
BP1219
BP1263
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "funny" on the OEBP.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP995 BP996 BP997 BP998 BP999  *  BP1001 BP1002 BP1003 BP1004 BP1005

KEYWORD

less, subjective, culture, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, left-it, feedback, funny

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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