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BP564 Discrete points intersecting boundary of convex hull vs. connected segment intersecting boundary of convex hull
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COMMENTS

If a "string" is wound tightly around the shape, does one of its segments lie directly on the shape?


All examples in this Problem are connected line segments or curves.


We are taking lines here to be infinitely thin, so that if the boundary of the convex hull intersects the endpoint of a line exactly it is understood that they meet at 1 point.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP559 BP560 BP561 BP562 BP563  *  BP565 BP566 BP567 BP568 BP569

EXAMPLE

Imagine wrapping a string around the pointed star. This string would take the shape of the boundary of the star's convex hull (a regular pentagon), and would only touch the star at the end of each of its 5 individual tips, therefore the star belongs on the left.

KEYWORD

hard, nice, allsorted, solved, perfect

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP563 Bongard Problems such that there is a way of making an infinite list of all relevant possible left-sorted examples vs. Bongard Problems where there is no such way of listing all left-sorted examples.
BP386
BP394
BP904
BP922
BP926
BP931
BP956
BP997
BP1057
BP1072
BP1146
BP1147
BP1148
BP1149
BP1150
BP1197
BP1199
BP1200
BP1201
BP319
BP345
BP351
BP559
BP818
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BP329
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Problems have the keyword "left-listable" on the OEBP.


All the possible left examples for the BPs on the left side of this problem could be listed in one infinite sequence. Right examples here are Problems for which no such sequence can exist.


This depends on deciding what images should be considered "the same thing", which is subjective and context-dependent.


All examples in this Bongard Problem have an infinite left side (they do not have the keyword left-finite).


The mathematical term for a set that can be organized into an infinite list is a "countably infinite" set, as opposed to an "uncountably infinite" set.

Another related idea is a "recursively enumerable" a.k.a. "semi-decidable" set, which is a set that a computer program could list the members of.

The keyword "left-listable" is meant to be for the more general idea of a countable set, which does not have to do with computer algorithms.


Note that this is not just BP940 (right-listable) flipped.


It seems in practice, Bongard Problems that are left-listable are usually also right-listable because the whole class of relevant examples is listable. A keyword for just plain "listable" may be more useful. Or instead keywords for left- versus right- semidecidability, in the sense of computing. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Jan 10 2023

REFERENCE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countable_set

CROSSREFS

See left-finite, which distinguishes between a finite left side and infinite left side.


"Left-listable" BPs are typically precise.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP558 BP559 BP560 BP561 BP562  *  BP564 BP565 BP566 BP567 BP568

KEYWORD

math, meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp_infinite_left_examples [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in right (left_uncountable_bp)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP559 Cross section of a cube vs. not cross section of a cube
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COMMENTS

All examples are solid black shapes.


This problem is absurdly hard. It makes a good extreme example. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Nov 23 2020

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP554 BP555 BP556 BP557 BP558  *  BP560 BP561 BP562 BP563 BP564

KEYWORD

hard, precise, allsorted, notso, stretch, challenge, left-narrow, perfect

CONCEPT cube (info | search),
cross_section (info | search)

WORLD

fill_shape [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP558 Point sequence that is increasing or decreasing in height vs. point sequence that alternates in height
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COMMENTS

All examples in this Problem are groups of 3 dots.


Any example where 2 adjacent dots have the same height would be ambiguously sorted.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP553 BP554 BP555 BP556 BP557  *  BP559 BP560 BP561 BP562 BP563

EXAMPLE

Reading from right to left in the first box on the left hand side: the 2nd dot is higher than the 1st, and the 3rd is higher than the 2nd, so the sequence of dots is strictly increasing in height.

KEYWORD

nice, precise, antihuman, orderedtriplet, preciseworld

CONCEPT coordinate (info | search)

WORLD

three_points [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP557 Equal horizontal length vs. not
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COMMENTS

All examples in this Problem are pairs of straight line segments.


This problem communicates the idea of projected distance, in this case from 2D to 1D (x-axis).

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP552 BP553 BP554 BP555 BP556  *  BP558 BP559 BP560 BP561 BP562

KEYWORD

nice, precise, allsorted, stretch, perfect, unorderedpair, preciseworld

CONCEPT projection (info | search)

WORLD

two_segments [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP556 Visual Bongard Problems such that if black and white are switched some examples switch sides vs. visual Bongard Problems that would always sort two switched versions the same way.
BP157
BP196
BP211
BP337
BP859
BP962
BP971
BP972
BP1008
BP1161
BP1249
BP1252
BP170
BP359
BP524
BP1089
BP1093
BP1210
BP1230
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted examples have the keyword "blackwhite" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted examples have the keyword "blackwhiteinvariant" on the OEBP.


All examples are visual Bongard Problems that allow black to touch the bounding box (keyword bordercontent).

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP551 BP552 BP553 BP554 BP555  *  BP557 BP558 BP559 BP560 BP561

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, invariance, wellfounded

CONCEPT black_white_inversion (info | search)

WORLD

visualbp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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