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BP941 JPEG image vs. PNG image.
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Evidently this solution is stretching the idea of what makes images "different". Each corresponding pair of panels would be parsed as identical in any other case. It is worth noting that if you view this Problem on a template, the solution no longer applies at all.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP936 BP937 BP938 BP939 BP940  *  BP942 BP943 BP944 BP945 BP946

KEYWORD

less, precise, dual, antihuman, contributepairs, invalid, experimental, funny

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP998 X "X _" vs. all are "X _"; X Y.
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COMMENTS

Right:

All are "all but one are ___"; all but one are black.

All are "every other is ___"; every other is solid polygons.

All are "gradually becoming ___"; gradually becoming thickly outlined.

Left:

All but one are "all but one are ___".

Every other is "every other is ___".

Gradually becoming "gradually becoming ___".


Here is another way of putting it:

Call it "meta" when the whole imitates its parts, and call it "doubly-meta" when the whole imitates its parts with respect to the way it imitates its parts. Left are doubly-meta, while right are just meta.


Here is a more belabored way of putting it:

Call something like "is star-shaped" a "rule". An object can satisfy a rule.

Call something like "all but one are ___" a "rule-parametrized rule". A collection of objects can satisfy a rule-parametrized rule with respect to a particular rule.

On the right: every collection fits the same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules); furthermore the collection of collections fits that same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to some unrelated rule that collections can satisfy).

On the left: The collection of collections fits a rule-parametrized rule with respect to the rule of fitting that rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules).


Previously, an unintended solution to this BP was "not all groups share some noticeable property vs. all do." It is hard to come up with examples foiling this alternative solution because the rule-parametrized rule (see explanation above) usually has to do with not all objects in the collection fitting the rule. (See BP568, which is about BP ideas that are always overridden by a simpler solution.) The example EX10108 "all five are 'all five are ___'" was added, foiling the alternative solution.

CROSSREFS

The right side of this Problem is a subset of BP999left.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP993 BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997  *  BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003

EXAMPLE

"Odd one out with respect to what property is the odd one out" would not fit left: even though this example does seem doubly-meta, it is not doubly-meta in the right way. There is no odd one out with respect to the property of having an odd one out.

Similarly, consider "gradual transition with respect to what the gradual transition is between", etc. Instead of having the form "X 'X __' ", this is more like "X [the __ appearing in 'X __']". Examples like these two could make for a different Bongard Problem.

KEYWORD

hard, unwordable, challenge, overriddensolution, infodense, contributepairs, funny, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1049 3 in a row vs. not
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1044 BP1045 BP1046 BP1047 BP1048  *  BP1050 BP1051 BP1052 BP1053 BP1054

KEYWORD

teach, creativeexamples, left-narrow, right-narrow, contributepairs, fixedgrid, miniworlds

CONCEPT three (info | search)

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP1183 One resolution vs. another.
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1178 BP1179 BP1180 BP1181 BP1182  *  BP1184 BP1185 BP1186 BP1187 BP1188

KEYWORD

precise, arbitrary, pixelperfect, contributepairs, right-couldbe, preciseworld

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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