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BP508 Bongard Problems with precise definitions vs. Bongard Problems with vague definitions.
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BP6
BP13
BP23
BP31
BP67
BP72
BP103
BP104
BP210
BP292
BP312
BP321
BP322
BP324
BP325
BP329
BP334
BP344
BP348
BP367
BP368
BP376
BP384
BP386
BP389
BP390
BP391
BP523
BP527
BP557
BP558
BP559

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BP2
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BP62
BP119
BP148
BP364
BP393
BP505
BP508
BP509
BP511
BP524
BP571
BP813
BP847
BP865
BP894
BP895
BP939
BP1002
BP1111
BP1158
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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "precise" on the OEBP.

Bongard Problems sorted right have the keyword "fuzzy" on the OEBP.


In an precise Bongard Problem, any relevant example is either clearly sorted left, clearly sorted right, or clearly not sorted.

(All relevant examples clearly sorted either left or right is the keyword allsorted.)


How can it be decided whether or not a rule is precise? How can it be decided whether or not a rule classifies all "examples that are relevant"? There needs to be another rule to determine which examples the original rule intends to sort. Bongard Problems by design communicate ideas without fixing that context ahead of time. The label "precise" can only mean a Bongard Problem's rule seems precise to people who see it. (This "precise vs. fuzzy" Bongard Problem is fuzzy.)


In an precise "less than ___ vs. greater than ___" Bongard Problem (keyword spectrum), the division between the sides is usually an apparent threshold. For example, there is an intuitive threshold between acute and obtuse angles (see e.g. BP292).


As a rule of thumb, do not consider imperfections of hand drawn images (keyword ignoreimperfections) when deciding whether a Bongard Problem is precise or fuzzy. Just because one can draw a square badly does not mean "triangle vs. quadrilateral" (BP6) should be labelled fuzzy; similar vagueness arises in all hand-drawn Bongard Problems. (For Bongard Problems in which fine subtleties of drawings, including small imperfections, are meant to be considered, use the keyword perfect.)


Sometimes the way a Bongard Problem would sort certain examples is an unsolved problem in mathematics. (See e.g. BP820.) There is a precise criterion that has been used to verify each sorted example fits where it fits (some kind of mathematical proof); however, where some examples fit is still unknown. Whether or not such a Bongard Problem should be labelled "precise" might be debated.

(Technical note: some properties are known to be undecidable, and sometimes the decidability itself is unknown. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem .)

(See the keyword proofsrequired.)

One way to resolve this ambiguity is to define "precise" as meaning that once people decide where an example belongs for a reason, they will all agree about it.


Sometimes the class of all examples in a Bongard Problem is imprecise, but, despite that, the rule sorting those examples is precise. Say, for some potential new example, it is unclear whether it should be included in the Bongard Problem at all, but, if it were included, it would be clear where it should be sorted (or that it should be left unsorted). A Bongard Problem like this can still be tagged "precise".

(If all examples are clearly sorted except for some example for which it is unclear whether it belongs to the class of relevant examples, the situation becomes ambiguous.)

On the other hand, sometimes the class of all examples is very clear, with an obvious boundary. (Keyword preciseworld.)


There is a subtle distinction to draw between Bongard Problems that are precise to the people making them and Bongard Problems that are precise to the people solving them. A Bongard Problem (particularly a non-allsorted one) might be labeled "precise" on the OEBP because the description and the listed ambiguous examples explicitly forbid sorting certain border cases; however, someone looking at the Bongard Problem without access to the OEBP page containing the definition would not be aware of this. It may or may not be obvious that certain examples were intentionally left out of the Bongard Problem. A larger collection of examples may make it more clear that a particularly blatant potential border case was left out intentionally.

CROSSREFS

See BP876 for the version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP.

See both and neither for specific ways an example can be classified as unsorted in an "precise" Bongard Problem.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP503 BP504 BP505 BP506 BP507  *  BP509 BP510 BP511 BP512 BP513

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP517 Meta Bongard Problems that sort themselves left vs. meta Bongard Problems that sort themselves right.
BP512
BP518
BP537
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP547
BP561
BP794
BP867
BP902
BP967
BP1000
BP1007
BP1074
BP1075
BP1113
BP1126
BP1150
BP1158
BP508
BP509
BP522
BP539
BP546
BP565
BP821
BP895
BP919
BP950
BP1162
BP1194
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BP517
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BP1073
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "left-self" on the OEBP. Right-sorted BPs have the keyword "right-self."

These keywords are added to pages automatically.


Rhetorical questions: Where does this BP sort itself? Where does this BP sort the flipped version of itself?

CROSSREFS

See BP793 for the version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP.


See BP1075 for an example of a BP that is tagged "left-self" but would still be tagged "left-self" after the sides in the title were flipped. (This is unusual; a "left-self" BP after being flipped is typically "right-self" and vice versa.)

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP512 BP513 BP514 BP515 BP516  *  BP518 BP519 BP520 BP521 BP522

KEYWORD

nice, dual, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, side, metameta, feedback

WORLD

Multiple options:
linksbp [smaller | same | bigger],
bp_in_own_world [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in left | zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP539 Meta Bongard Problems such that if the sides of an example Bongard Problem are switched its sorting within the meta Problem may switch vs. meta Bongard Problems that always sort flipped versions on the same side.
BP513
BP514
BP515
BP516
BP517
BP1073
BP1079
BP1081
BP1124
BP1159
BP1160
BP501
BP506
BP507
BP508
BP509
BP511
BP512
BP520
BP521
BP522
BP534
BP535
BP537
BP539
BP561
BP895
BP950
BP964
BP1010
BP1139
BP1140
BP1142
BP1167
BP1171
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "side" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "sideless" on the OEBP.


Here "flipping the sides" of a Bongard Problem does not flip the sides of the example BPs.

CROSSREFS

Metaconcept implies "sideless".

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP534 BP535 BP536 BP537 BP538  *  BP540 BP541 BP542 BP543 BP544

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless, invariance, metameta, left-it, feedback

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP895 Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems based on other information than just their solutions (e.g. what format the Bongard Problem is, or what specific examples are shown in it) vs. Meta Bongard Problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on solution.
BP504
BP793
BP795
BP802
BP803
BP827
BP831
BP834
BP871
BP872
BP894
BP1150
BP200
BP796
BP829
BP830
BP832
BP833
BP835
BP836
BP868
BP873
BP874
BP875
BP876
BP877
BP878
BP879
BP880
BP881
BP895
BP927
BP944
BP948
BP952
BP954
BP987
BP1024
BP1025
BP1026
BP1027
BP1028
BP1029
BP1030
BP1031
BP1032
BP1033

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BP828
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationmatters" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "presentationinvariant" on the OEBP.


Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another. (Meta Bongard Problems that sort images of Bongard Problems have the keyword miniproblems, whereas meta Bongard Problems that sort links to OEBP pages have the keyword links.)


For meta-pages on the OEBP that sort other pages on the OEBP (keyword links), "presentationmatters" means factoring in content like the BP number, the currently uploaded examples, the wording of the title, the description, and so on, rather than just the solution (that is, how the page would sort all potential examples). This is unusual.


"One solution vs. multiple solutions" (BP828) seems like a border-case. It is about solutions, but it only makes sense for images of Bongard Problems with particular examples. - Aaron David Fairbanks, Aug 01 2020

CROSSREFS

See BP1010 (projectionmatters versus 3d) for a similar idea: there 2D representations are to 3D objects as here Bongard Problems are to Bongard Problem solutions.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893 BP894  *  BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless, metameta, right-it, dependence, presentationinvariant

WORLD

metabp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP1073 Bongard Problems that would sort this Bongard Problem left vs. Bongard Problems that would sort this Bongard Problem right.
BP503
BP510
BP518
BP539
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP547
BP550
BP687
BP691
BP794
BP1000
BP1074
BP509
BP519
BP895
BP902
BP1150
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BP517
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BP950
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BP1073
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COMMENTS

This is the "it" Problem.


Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "left-it" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-it" on the OEBP.

CROSSREFS

Left-it or right-it implies feedback.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1068 BP1069 BP1070 BP1071 BP1072  *  BP1074 BP1075 BP1076 BP1077 BP1078

KEYWORD

nice, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, side, metameta, feedback, time, experimental, funny, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

linksbp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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