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BP894 Examples fit solution (once it is known) relatively obviously vs. examples fit solution in subtle or complex, harder-to-see ways.
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COMMENTS

One left and one right example with each solution are shown.


This BP is fuzzy for multiple reasons. How obvious it is that an example fits a rule is subjective. Also, somebody could read the simplicity of all included examples as part of a Bongard Problem's solution. For example, the more obvious version of "square number of dots vs. non-square number of dots" could be interpreted as "square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way vs. non-square small number of dots arranged in easy-to-read way."


Whether this Bongard Problem solution would categorize an image of itself left or right depends on the difficulty of the solutions of the mini-Problems.

CROSSREFS

See keyword help.

See keyword hardsort.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP889 BP890 BP891 BP892 BP893  *  BP895 BP896 BP897 BP898 BP899

KEYWORD

fuzzy, abstract, notso, subjective, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, creativeexamples, presentationmatters, assumesfamiliarity, structure, contributepairs

WORLD

boxes_bpimage_three_per_side [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP903 Sharp vs. blurry
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901 BP902  *  BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907 BP908

KEYWORD

contributepairs

CONCEPT contrast (info | search),
curve_texture (info | search)

AUTHOR

Cameron Fetter

BP912 Imperfectly drawn shapes vs. perfectly drawn shapes.
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP907 BP908 BP909 BP910 BP911  *  BP913 BP914 BP915 BP916 BP917

KEYWORD

perfect, contributepairs

CONCEPT curve_texture (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in right (shape_outline)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP939 Optical illusions vs. not so.
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COMMENTS

Panels on the left hand side contain geometrical objects that appear distorted (to a human) due to surrounding information.

REFERENCE

Vicente Sierra-Vázquez & Ignacio Serrano-Pedraza, Application of Riesz transforms to the isotropic AM-PM decomposition of geometrical-optical illusion images, April 2010, Figure 1.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP934 BP935 BP936 BP937 BP938  *  BP940 BP941 BP942 BP943 BP944

KEYWORD

fuzzy, anticomputer, subjective, contributepairs, invalid, experimental

CONCEPT length_line_or_curve (info | search),
visual_illusion (info | search)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP941 JPEG image vs. PNG image.
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COMMENTS

Evidently this solution is stretching the idea of what makes images "different". Each corresponding pair of panels would be parsed as identical in any other case. It is worth noting that if you view this Problem on a template, the solution no longer applies at all.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP936 BP937 BP938 BP939 BP940  *  BP942 BP943 BP944 BP945 BP946

KEYWORD

less, precise, dual, antihuman, contributepairs, invalid, experimental, funny

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP998 X "X Y" vs. all are "X Y"; X Z.
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COMMENTS

Right:

All are "all but one are ___"; all but one are black.

All are "every other is ___"; every other is solid polygons.

All are "gradually becoming ___"; gradually becoming thickly outlined.

Left:

All but one are "all but one are ___".

Every other is "every other is ___".

Gradually becoming "gradually becoming ___".


Here is another way of putting it:

Call it "meta" when the whole imitates its parts, and call it "doubly-meta" when the whole imitates its parts with respect to the way it imitates its parts. Left are doubly-meta, while right are just meta.


Here is a more belabored way of putting it:

Call something like "is star-shaped" a "rule". An object can fit a rule.

Call something like "all but one are ___" a "rule-parametrized rule". A collection of objects, with respect to a particular rule, can fit a rule-parametrized rule.

A drawing on the right shows many collections. Every collection fits the same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules); furthermore the collection of collections fits that same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to some rule collections can fit).

Likewise a drawing on the left shows a collection of collections, with some noticeable recurring rule-parametrized rule. The collection of collections must fit that rule-parametrized rule with respect to the rule of fitting that rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rule).


An unintended solution to this BP is "not all groups share some noticeable property vs. all do." It is hard to come up with examples foiling this alternative solution because (what was above called) the rule-parametrized rule usually has to do with not all objects in the collection fitting the rule. (See BP568, which is about BP ideas that are always overridden by a simpler solution.)


Some examples would fit left under a certain interpretation: EX8220 "all are 'all are ___' " and EX8222 "palindrome with respect to being a palindrome with respect to ___" (every shown collection is a palindrome with respect to some property, and all things in a list being the same is a palindrome). But those rules are not necessarily the most obvious ways of interpreting these pictures, so they have been marked as ambiguous. Either of these placed on the left would prevent the intended solution being overridden (see the previous paragraph).


Here is a list of left example ideas that would be impossible to make:

- Exhaustive list of all exhaustive lists of all ____.

CROSSREFS

The right side of this Problem is a subset of BP999left.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP993 BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997  *  BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003

EXAMPLE

"Odd one out with respect to what property is the odd one out" would not fit left in this Problem: even though this example does seem doubly-meta, it is not doubly-meta in the right way. There is no odd one out with respect to the property of having an odd one out.

Similarly, consider "gradual transition with respect to what the gradual transition is between", etc. Instead of having the form "X 'X __' ", this is more like "X [the __ appearing in 'X __'] ". Examples like these two could make for a different Bongard Problem.

KEYWORD

hard, unwordable, challenge, overriddensolution, infodense, contributepairs, funny, rules, miniworlds

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

zoom in right

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1049 3 in a row vs. not
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1044 BP1045 BP1046 BP1047 BP1048  *  BP1050 BP1051 BP1052 BP1053 BP1054

KEYWORD

teach, creativeexamples, left-narrow, right-narrow, contributepairs, fixedgrid, miniworlds

AUTHOR

Jago Collins

BP1183 One resolution vs. another.
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1178 BP1179 BP1180 BP1181 BP1182  *  BP1184 BP1185 BP1186 BP1187 BP1188

KEYWORD

precise, arbitrary, pixelperfect, contributepairs, right-couldbe, preciseworld

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

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