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BP508 Bongard Problems with precise definitions vs. Bongard Problems with vague definitions.
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BP6
BP13
BP23
BP31
BP67
BP72
BP103
BP104
BP210
BP292
BP312
BP321
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BP324
BP325
BP329
BP334
BP344
BP348
BP367
BP368
BP376
BP384
BP386
BP389
BP390
BP391
BP523
BP527
BP557
BP558
BP559

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BP62
BP119
BP148
BP364
BP393
BP505
BP508
BP509
BP511
BP524
BP571
BP813
BP847
BP865
BP894
BP895
BP939
BP1002
BP1111
BP1158
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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "precise" on the OEBP.

Bongard Problems sorted right have the keyword "fuzzy" on the OEBP.


In an precise Bongard Problem, any relevant example is either clearly sorted left, clearly sorted right, or clearly not sorted.

(All relevant examples clearly sorted either left or right is the keyword allsorted.)


How can it be decided whether or not a rule is precise? How can it be decided whether or not a rule classifies all "examples that are relevant"? There needs to be another rule to determine which examples the original rule intends to sort. Bongard Problems by design communicate ideas without fixing that context ahead of time. The label "precise" can only mean a Bongard Problem's rule seems precise to people who see it. (This "precise vs. fuzzy" Bongard Problem is fuzzy.)


In an precise "less than ___ vs. greater than ___" Bongard Problem (keyword spectrum), the division between the sides is usually an apparent threshold. For example, there is an intuitive threshold between acute and obtuse angles (see e.g. BP292).


As a rule of thumb, do not consider imperfections of hand drawn images (keyword ignoreimperfections) when deciding whether a Bongard Problem is precise or fuzzy. Just because one can draw a square badly does not mean "triangle vs. quadrilateral" (BP6) should be labelled fuzzy; similar vagueness arises in all hand-drawn Bongard Problems. (For Bongard Problems in which fine subtleties of drawings, including small imperfections, are meant to be considered, use the keyword perfect.)


Sometimes the way a Bongard Problem would sort certain examples is an unsolved problem in mathematics. (See e.g. BP820.) There is a precise criterion that has been used to verify each sorted example fits where it fits (some kind of mathematical proof); however, where some examples fit is still unknown. Whether or not such a Bongard Problem should be labelled "precise" might be debated.

(Technical note: some properties are known to be undecidable, and sometimes the decidability itself is unknown. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem .)

(See the keyword proofsrequired.)

One way to resolve this ambiguity is to define "precise" as meaning that once people decide where an example belongs for a reason, they will all agree about it.


Sometimes the class of all examples in a Bongard Problem is imprecise, but, despite that, the rule sorting those examples is precise. Say, for some potential new example, it is unclear whether it should be included in the Bongard Problem at all, but, if it were included, it would be clear where it should be sorted (or that it should be left unsorted). A Bongard Problem like this can still be tagged "precise".

(If all examples are clearly sorted except for some example for which it is unclear whether it belongs to the class of relevant examples, the situation becomes ambiguous.)

On the other hand, sometimes the class of all examples is very clear, with an obvious boundary. (Keyword preciseworld.)


There is a subtle distinction to draw between Bongard Problems that are precise to the people making them and Bongard Problems that are precise to the people solving them. A Bongard Problem (particularly a non-allsorted one) might be labeled "precise" on the OEBP because the description and the listed ambiguous examples explicitly forbid sorting certain border cases; however, someone looking at the Bongard Problem without access to the OEBP page containing the definition would not be aware of this. It may or may not be obvious that certain examples were intentionally left out of the Bongard Problem. A larger collection of examples may make it more clear that a particularly blatant potential border case was left out intentionally.

CROSSREFS

See BP876 for the version with pictures of Bongard Problems instead of links to pages on the OEBP.

See both and neither for specific ways an example can be classified as unsorted in an "precise" Bongard Problem.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP503 BP504 BP505 BP506 BP507  *  BP509 BP510 BP511 BP512 BP513

KEYWORD

fuzzy, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP660 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: lying on (touching) a line or curve vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP44
BP55
BP66
BP69
BP91
BP104
BP117
BP190
BP336
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP655 BP656 BP657 BP658 BP659  *  BP661 BP662 BP663 BP664 BP665

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept, primitive

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "on_line_or_curve"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP726 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: center of circle vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP104
BP117
BP133
BP134
BP178
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP721 BP722 BP723 BP724 BP725  *  BP727 BP728 BP729 BP730 BP731

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "center_of_circle"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP728 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: center vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP104
BP117
BP133
BP134
BP178
BP209
BP818
BP1104
BP1156
BP1223
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP723 BP724 BP725 BP726 BP727  *  BP729 BP730 BP731 BP732 BP733

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "center"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP738 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: imaginary point vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP52
BP78
BP102
BP104
BP117
BP133
BP134
BP161
BP162
BP178
BP183
BP184
BP249
BP250
BP257
BP287
BP310
BP312
BP368
BP990
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP733 BP734 BP735 BP736 BP737  *  BP739 BP740 BP741 BP742 BP743

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "imagined_point"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP741 Bongard Problem with solution relating to concept: imaginary entity vs. Bongard Problem unrelated to this concept.
BP52
BP64
BP73
BP74
BP78
BP81
BP96
BP97
BP101
BP102
BP103
BP104
BP106
BP112
BP117
BP131
BP133
BP134
BP138
BP154
BP161
BP162
BP163
BP178
BP183
BP184
BP193
BP194
BP199
BP235
BP238
BP239
BP240
BP245
BP249

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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP736 BP737 BP738 BP739 BP740  *  BP742 BP743 BP744 BP745 BP746

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metaconcept, primitive

CONCEPT This MBP is about BPs that feature concept: "imagined_entity"

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Harry E. Foundalis

BP1194 Bongard Problems listed in Harry E. Foundalis's collection vs. not.
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BP3
BP4
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BP6
BP7
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BP11
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BP13
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BP20
BP21
BP22
BP23
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BP25
BP26
BP27
BP28
BP29
BP30
BP31
BP32
BP33
BP34
BP35

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BP501
BP503
BP504
BP505
BP506
BP507
BP508
BP509
BP510
BP1194
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COMMENTS

Alternatively, BP pages on the OEBP with number less than or equal to 394 vs. other BP pages.

REFERENCE

https://www.foundalis.com/res/bps/bpidx.htm

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1189 BP1190 BP1191 BP1192 BP1193  *  BP1195 BP1196 BP1197 BP1198 BP1199

EXAMPLE

Foundalis's collection includes all Bongard Problems by Bongard.

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, right-self, time

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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