Search: +meta:BP1000
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BP867 |
| Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so. |
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COMMENTS
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Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.
This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.
Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).
When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).
BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.
The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.
All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:
1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.
2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.
If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here). |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)
Contrast keyword viceversa.
"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872
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KEYWORD
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny
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WORLD
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everything [smaller | same] zoom in left
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP868 |
| Images of impossible Bongard Problems vs. images of possible Bongard Problems. |
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COMMENTS
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This fits on its own left side. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP821 for the version with links to pages on the OEBP (instead of images of Bongard Problems), of which this fits on the left side.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866 BP867  *  BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872 BP873
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KEYWORD
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notso, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, example, left-finite, left-full, impossible, experimental, funny, presentationinvariant
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CONCEPT
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impossible (info | search)
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WORLD
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bpimage [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP902 |
| This Bongard Problem vs. anything else. |
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COMMENTS
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Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP953, BP959.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907
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KEYWORD
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notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny
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CONCEPT
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self-reference (info | search), specificity (info | search)
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WORLD
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everything [smaller | same] zoom in left (bp902)
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AUTHOR
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Leo Crabbe
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COMMENTS
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A spot-the-difference exercise.
Arguably invalid (solution not simple). |
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CROSSREFS
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Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP915 BP916 BP917 BP918 BP919  *  BP921 BP922 BP923 BP924 BP925
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KEYWORD
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less, precise, convoluted, arbitrary, stretch, unstable, left-finite, left-full, perfect, pixelperfect, experimental, funny
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CONCEPT
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imperfection_small (info | search), specificity (info | search)
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WORLD
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bmp [smaller | same | bigger]
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP941 |
| JPEG image vs. PNG image. |
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BP952 |
| Images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems about images of Bongard Problems vs. images of Bongard Problems not including images of Bongard Problems including images of Bongard Problems. |
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BP953 |
| Image of this Bongard Problem vs. empty image. |
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COMMENTS
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"Image of Bongard Problem with solution X vs. empty image" where X is the phrase in quotes. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP959, BP902.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP948 BP949 BP950 BP951 BP952  *  BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958
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KEYWORD
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nice, precise, meta (see left/right), miniproblems, overriddensolution, right-full, right-null, perfect, infinitedetail, experimental, funny
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CONCEPT
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fractal (info | search), recursion (info | search), self-reference (info | search)
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WORLD
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zoom in left (bp953_image) | zoom in right (blank_image)
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AUTHOR
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Leo Crabbe
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BP959 |
| This image of this Bongard Problem vs. empty image. |
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CROSSREFS
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See BP953, BP902.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP954 BP955 BP956 BP957 BP958  *  BP960 BP961 BP962 BP963 BP964
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KEYWORD
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meta (see left/right), miniproblems, left-finite, right-finite, left-full, right-full, right-null, perfect, infinitedetail, finished, experimental, funny
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CONCEPT
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fractal (info | search), recursion (info | search), self-reference (info | search)
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WORLD
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zoom in left | zoom in right (blank_image)
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks, Leo Crabbe
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BP998 |
| X "X _" vs. all are "X _"; X Y. |
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COMMENTS
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Right:
All are "all but one are ___"; all but one are black.
All are "every other is ___"; every other is solid polygons.
All are "gradually becoming ___"; gradually becoming thickly outlined.
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All but one are "all but one are ___".
Every other is "every other is ___".
Gradually becoming "gradually becoming ___".
Here is another way of putting it:
Call it "meta" when the whole imitates its parts, and call it "doubly-meta" when the whole imitates its parts with respect to the way it imitates its parts. Left are doubly-meta, while right are just meta.
Here is a more belabored way of putting it:
Call something like "is star-shaped" a "rule". An object can satisfy a rule.
Call something like "all but one are ___" a "rule-parametrized rule". A collection of objects can satisfy a rule-parametrized rule with respect to a particular rule.
On the right: every collection fits the same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules); furthermore the collection of collections fits that same rule-parametrized rule (with respect to some unrelated rule that collections can satisfy).
On the left: The collection of collections fits a rule-parametrized rule with respect to the rule of fitting that rule-parametrized rule (with respect to various rules).
Previously, an unintended solution to this BP was "not all groups share some noticeable property vs. all do." It is hard to come up with examples foiling this alternative solution because the rule-parametrized rule (see explanation above) usually has to do with not all objects in the collection fitting the rule. (See BP568, which is about BP ideas that are always overridden by a simpler solution.) The example EX10108 "all five are 'all five are ___'" was added, foiling the alternative solution. |
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CROSSREFS
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The right side of this Problem is a subset of BP999left.
Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP993 BP994 BP995 BP996 BP997  *  BP999 BP1000 BP1001 BP1002 BP1003
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EXAMPLE
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"Odd one out with respect to what property is the odd one out" would not fit left: even though this example does seem doubly-meta, it is not doubly-meta in the right way. There is no odd one out with respect to the property of having an odd one out.
Similarly, consider "gradual transition with respect to what the gradual transition is between", etc. Instead of having the form "X 'X __' ", this is more like "X [the __ appearing in 'X __']". Examples like these two could make for a different Bongard Problem. |
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KEYWORD
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hard, unwordable, challenge, overriddensolution, infodense, contributepairs, funny, rules, miniworlds
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CONCEPT
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self-reference (info | search)
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WORLD
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zoom in right
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AUTHOR
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Aaron David Fairbanks
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BP1000 |
| Amusing Bongard Problems vs. other Bongard Problems |
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