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BP867 Bongard Problem with solution that can be naturally expressed as "___ vs. not so" vs. not so.
BP32
BP77
BP82
BP127
BP243
BP257
BP274
BP288
BP323
BP344
BP376
BP381
BP385
BP390
BP506
BP507
BP515
BP516
BP538
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP545
BP553
BP559
BP569
BP576
BP812
BP816
BP818
BP823
BP825
BP852
BP866
BP867

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BP6

Qat

blimp

notso

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COMMENTS

Left-sorted BPs have the keyword "notso" on the OEBP.


This meta Bongard Problem is about Bongard Problems featuring two rules that are conceptual opposites.


Sometimes both sides could be seen as the "not" side: consider, for example, two definitions of the same Bongard Problem, "shape has hole vs. does not" and "shape is not filled vs. is". It is possible (albeit perhaps unnatural) to phrase the solution either way when the left and right sides partition all possible relevant examples cleanly into two groups (see the allsorted keyword).


When one property is "positive-seeming" and its opposite is "negative-seeming", it usually means the positive property would be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of triangles will be seen as such), while the negative property wouldn't be recognized without counter-examples (e.g. a collection of "non-triangle shapes" will just be interpreted as "shapes" unless triangles are shown opposite them).


BP513 (keyword left-narrow) is about Bongard Problems whose left side can be recognized without the right side. When a Bongard Problem is left-narrow and not "right-narrow that usually makes the property on the left seem positive and the property on the right seem negative.


The OEBP by convention has preferred the "positive-seeming" property (when there is one) to be on the left side.


All in all, the keyword "notso" should mean:

1) If the Bongard Problem is "narrow" on at least one side, then it is left-narrow.

2) The right side is the conceptual negation of the left side.


If a Bongard Problem's solution is "[Property A] vs. not so", the "not so" side is everything without [Property A] within some suitable context. A Bongard Problem "triangles vs. not so" might only include simple shapes as non-triangles; it need not include images of boats as non-triangles. It is not necessary for all the kitchen sink to be thrown on the "not so" side (although it is here).

CROSSREFS

See BP1001 for a version sorting pictures of Bongard Problems (miniproblems) instead of links to pages on the OEBP. (This version is a little different. In BP1001, the kitchen sink of all other possible images is always included on the right "not so" side, rather than a context-dependent conceptual negation.)


Contrast keyword viceversa.


"[Property A] vs. not so" Bongard Problems are often allsorted, meaning they sort all relevant examples--but not always, because sometimes there exist ambiguous border cases, unclear whether they fit [Property A] or not.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP862 BP863 BP864 BP865 BP866  *  BP868 BP869 BP870 BP871 BP872

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, funny

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP902 This Bongard Problem vs. anything else.
BP902
BP1

becious

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COMMENTS

Although this Bongard Problem is self-referential, it's only because of the specific phrasing of the solution. "BP902 vs. anything else" would also work. The number 902 could have been chosen coincidentally.

CROSSREFS

See BP953, BP959.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP897 BP898 BP899 BP900 BP901  *  BP903 BP904 BP905 BP906 BP907

KEYWORD

notso, meta (see left/right), links, left-self, left-narrow, left-finite, left-full, right-null, right-it, invalid, experimental, funny

CONCEPT self-reference (info | search),
specificity (info | search)

WORLD

everything [smaller | same]
zoom in left (bp902)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP940 Bongard Problems such that there is a way of making an infinite list of all relevant possible right-sorted examples vs. Bongard Problems where there is no such way of listing all right-sorted examples.
BP386
BP394
BP904
BP926
BP931
BP956
BP997
BP1057
BP1072
BP1146
BP1147
BP1148
BP1149
BP1150
BP1199
BP1200
BP1201
BP91
BP329
BP351
BP538
BP559
BP593
BP801
BP902
BP920
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Problems have the keyword "right-listable" on the OEBP.


BPs are sorted based on how BP563 (left-listable) would sort them were they flipped; see that page for a description.

CROSSREFS

See right-finite, which distinguishes between finite right side and infinite right side.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP935 BP936 BP937 BP938 BP939  *  BP941 BP942 BP943 BP944 BP945

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword

WORLD

bp_infinite_right_examples [smaller | same | bigger]
zoom in right (right_uncountable_bp)

AUTHOR

Leo Crabbe

BP950 Arbitrarily specific BP included in the OEBP database as a representative of a larger class of similar BPs vs. not.
BP100
BP121
BP158
BP170
BP197
BP230
BP231
BP232
BP839
BP911
BP920
BP1008
BP1027
BP1048
BP1058
BP1063
BP1068
BP1074
BP1075
BP1102
BP1105
BP1161
BP1168
BP1183
BP1192
BP1193
BP1226
BP1255
BP1260
BP1
BP950
?
BP538
?
BP545
?
BP902
?
BP1024
?
BP1073
?
BP1076
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COMMENTS

Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "arbitrary" on the OEBP.


Arbitrary BPs often communicate non-arbitrary ideas. M. M. Bongard's original "A vs. Б" Problem (BP100) is about recognizing letters. A choice of some such arbitrary letters was necessary.


Most Bongard Problems are at least slightly arbitrary. Almost any Bongard Problem could be changed in a number of ways to make slightly different Bongard Problems. When a Bongard Problem is labeled as "arbitrary", that means there is one especially obvious class of similar Bongard Problems, with none of them particularly more interesting or special than any other.


The self-referential (invalid) Bongard Problems BP538, BP545, BP902, BP1073 fit this definition (the solution involves the arbitrary detail of being that specific Bongard Problem instead of any other). On the other hand, the solution idea is not arbitrary when phrased with "this Bongard Problem".


Many "arbitrary" Bongard Problems are of the form "Detail X has arbitrary value A vs. not so" or "Detail X has arbitrary value A vs. detail X has arbitrary value B". Other "arbitrary" Bongard Problems feature arbitrary details that are not the distinction between the sides, e.g. BP545.


It is unclear whether or not we should label a Bongard Problem "arbitrary" if the arbitrarily fixed detail is a notable special case. For example, BP1024 could have been made using any number, but the number 1 is a non-arbitrary number, so the Bongard Problem does not seem so arbitrary.

CROSSREFS

Similar to thespecificity concept BP (BP773), which is more general, including Bongard Problems relating conceptually in any way to arbitrary specificity.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP945 BP946 BP947 BP948 BP949  *  BP951 BP952 BP953 BP954 BP955

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, right-self, sideless

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1000 Amusing Bongard Problems vs. other Bongard Problems
BP518
BP538
BP544
BP545
BP570
BP795
BP812
BP844
BP854
BP859
BP867
BP868
BP902
BP920
BP941
BP952
BP953
BP959
BP998
BP1000
BP1001
BP1007
BP1008
BP1056
BP1073
BP1141
BP1163
BP1193
BP1219
BP1263
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COMMENTS

Left examples have the keyword "funny" on the OEBP.

CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP995 BP996 BP997 BP998 BP999  *  BP1001 BP1002 BP1003 BP1004 BP1005

KEYWORD

less, subjective, culture, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, left-self, left-it, feedback, funny

WORLD

bp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1073 Bongard Problems that would sort this Bongard Problem left vs. Bongard Problems that would sort this Bongard Problem right.
BP503
BP510
BP518
BP539
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP547
BP550
BP687
BP691
BP794
BP1000
BP1074
BP1242
BP509
BP519
BP895
BP902
BP1150
?
BP517
?
BP950
?
BP1073
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COMMENTS

This is the "it" Problem.


Left-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "left-it" on the OEBP.

Right-sorted Bongard Problems have the keyword "right-it" on the OEBP.

CROSSREFS

Left-it or right-it implies feedback.

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1068 BP1069 BP1070 BP1071 BP1072  *  BP1074 BP1075 BP1076 BP1077 BP1078

KEYWORD

nice, meta (see left/right), links, keyword, side, metameta, feedback, time, experimental, funny, testexample, presentationinvariant

CONCEPT recursion (info | search),
self-reference (info | search)

WORLD

linksbp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1076 Meta Bongard Problems sorting BP1 left vs. meta Bongard Problems sorting BP1 right.
BP501
BP503
BP508
BP509
BP513
BP515
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP546
BP567
BP573
BP627
BP634
BP798
BP883
BP913
BP947
BP1075
BP504
BP507
BP510
BP522
BP537
BP902
BP963
BP1113
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CROSSREFS

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1071 BP1072 BP1073 BP1074 BP1075  *  BP1077 BP1078 BP1079 BP1080 BP1081

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, metameta, testexample

WORLD

linksbp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

BP1126 Meta Bongard Problems in which examples are pages on the OEBP vs. meta Bongard Problems in which examples are pictures of Bongard Problems.
BP501
BP503
BP504
BP506
BP507
BP508
BP509
BP510
BP511
BP512
BP513
BP514
BP515
BP516
BP517
BP518
BP519
BP520
BP521
BP522
BP526
BP534
BP535
BP537
BP539
BP541
BP542
BP544
BP546
BP547
BP549
BP550
BP552
BP553
BP554

. . .

BP200
BP793
BP795
BP796
BP802
BP803
BP827
BP828
BP829
BP830
BP831
BP832
BP833
BP834
BP835
BP836
BP868
BP871
BP872
BP873
BP874
BP875
BP876
BP877
BP878
BP879
BP880
BP881
BP894
BP948
BP952
BP953
BP954
BP955
BP957

. . .

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COMMENTS

Bongard Problems sorted left have the keyword "links" on the OEBP.

Bongard Problems sorted right have the keyword "miniproblems" on the OEBP.


The keyword "links" is automatically added to a Bongard Problem on the OEBP if a BP number is added as an example.


Meta Bongard problems that sort Bongard Problems purely based on their solutions (keyword presentationmatters) usually have two versions in the database: one that sorts images of Bongard Problems and one that sorts links to pages on the OEBP. If both versions exist, users should make them cross-reference one another.

CROSSREFS

All the examples of miniature Bongard Problems within any meta Bongard Problem tagged "miniproblems" would fit left on BP1080 (which is a showcase of the various formats for images of Bongard Problems).

Adjacent-numbered pages:
BP1121 BP1122 BP1123 BP1124 BP1125  *  BP1127 BP1128 BP1129 BP1130 BP1131

KEYWORD

meta (see left/right), links, keyword, world, left-self, metameta

WORLD

metabp [smaller | same | bigger]

AUTHOR

Aaron David Fairbanks

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